How Does Purple Connect Red and Blue on the Color Wheel?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between purple, red, and blue on the color wheel, exploring the nature of color perception and the distinction between spectral and non-spectral colors. Participants examine how colors are produced in nature versus how they are perceived by the human eye, touching on concepts from color theory and the physics of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the concept of a color wheel, noting that purple seems to connect red and blue, which raises confusion about how colors transition on the visible light spectrum.
  • Another participant emphasizes that color perception is distinct from the physical properties of light, stating that colors are generated by the eye's response to different wavelengths rather than existing inherently in nature.
  • It is noted that purple and violet are not the same; violet is a spectral color while purple is a mix of red and blue light.
  • Some participants discuss how the eye perceives purple as a combination of stimulated red and blue receptors, leading to questions about why our perception of violet involves red and blue.
  • Confusion arises regarding the visibility of violet light and its representation in color spaces, with references to how violet light primarily stimulates blue receptors.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between violet as an extreme blue and purple as a combination of red and blue, with some participants asserting that many people conflate the two terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of purple and violet, the mechanics of color perception, and the implications of the color wheel. There is no consensus on these topics, and confusion persists regarding the distinctions between spectral and non-spectral colors.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of color and perception, and there are unresolved questions about the visibility of violet light and its representation in various color models.

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How is there a color "wheel"? Color is just visible light on the EM spectrum which has red at one end and purple at the other end. But on the color wheel purple and red come back around and touch. How is that possible?

Purple just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Purple is blue and red light mixed (magenta might be the more accurate term), or if you just take the middle of the visible light spectrum (green) out of white. So, for blue to become violet, it'd have to start heading toward "red" again, which is on the other side of the visible light spectrum. How does it go toward red again? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm really racking my brain out here. lol
 
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How color is produced in nature and how it is perceived in the eye are two completely different and unrelated things. The color wheel is a representation of how your eyes generate colors, not how nature generates colors.

Strictly speakiing, light generated in nature doesn't have "color", it is just different wavelengths. Different animals percieve "color" differently because their eyes are adapted to process different wavelengths.

Also of note: purple and violet aren't quite the same thing - violet is a "spectral" color (it is part of the spectrum) whereas purple is generated by mixing. Here's the wiki on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_(color )
 
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Ergo, when you're seeing purple, you're seeing more than one spectral colour. Or more accurately, you're getting both your red and blue receptors stimulated.
 
Thank you so much! You guys are awesome!

I wonder why our eyes opted to simulate violet with red and blue.
 
hoodleehoo said:
Thank you so much! You guys are awesome!

I wonder why our eyes opted to simulate violet with red and blue.
You've got the question backwards. The question is:

I wonder why our eyes opted to show red and blue as violet.
 
Hmmm, now I'm confused. I thought we couldn't see violet so our eyes show it as red and blue?

"Spectral violet is outside the gamut of typical RGB color spaces, and although it can be approximated by that color shown below as electric violet, it cannot be reproduced exactly on a computer screen."

"Violet is a spectral color (approximately 380-420 nm), of a shorter wavelength than blue, while purple is a combination of red and blue or violet light.[7] The purples are colors that are not spectral colors – purples are extra-spectral colors. In fact, purple was not present on Newton's color wheel (which went directly from violet to red), though it is on modern ones, between red and violet. There is no such thing as the "wavelength of purple light"; it only exists as a combination.[3]"
 
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Hmmm, now I'm confused. I thought we couldn't see violet so our eyes show it as red and blue?
Violet light excites the blue receptors. Actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichromatic_vision" ; it just excites the blue receptors the most.

Perhaps this is why we register violet as distinct from blue - our brain can tell the difference between
80%blue, 10%red (which might read as blue)
and
80%blue, 5%red (which might read as violet.)
 
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So violet is just an extreme blue? I though violet was more "purple" looking than blue so wouldn't it excite the red receptors more than blue would?
 
True violet has always been, as far as I can recall, the extreme blue end of the spectrum. When violet, or blue is mixed with red, then purple is obtained.

That's how I've understood it. Violet stimulates the blue receptors in our eyes. Purple stimulates both the red and blue receptors.

Unfortunately, many have interchanged the two as if they were synonymous, which they are not.

Claude
 

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