How does QED explain charge interaction in the macro world?

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The discussion centers on how Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) explains the interactions between charged particles, specifically addressing why like charges repel and unlike charges attract. Participants explore the implications of these interactions in both quantum and macro contexts, touching on theoretical principles and interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the mechanism behind the attraction and repulsion of charges in QED, questioning the role of virtual photons and their momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that QED explains macro-world dynamics through the statistical behavior of many particles, implying that particle exchanges lead to attractive forces due to the symmetry of the wavefunction of virtual particles.
  • A different viewpoint introduces gauge invariance, arguing that the nature of charge interactions is not purely quantum and relates to how particles couple to the electromagnetic field, which can yield both positive and negative values.
  • Another participant references a discussion in Zee's book, indicating that the nature of the mediating particle's spin (odd or even) influences whether the interaction results in attraction or repulsion for like charges.

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Participants present multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of charge interactions in QED, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the explanations provided.

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Participants reference various theoretical frameworks and mathematical interpretations, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or dependencies related to these concepts.

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I have personally been deeply fascinated by the processes and principles that underlie the QED and have done some recent research myself. However, recently my teacher posted me a question that stunned me. He went,"Why do like charges repel and unlike attract?" In QED I understand that this is due to electromagnetic interactions between charged particles by exchanging virtual photons. However, what left me hanging in curiosity was how the virtual photons cause the difference between attraction and repulsion. Does it have something to do with the momentum of photons? And how does this translate to the macro world? Essentially, why do "unlikes" attract and "likes" repel?
 
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QED explains macro=world dynamics in terms of the statistics of the quantum world. The macro laws of physics appear as the average behavior of many particles in the quantum world. But I don't think that's what you mean.

You mean, "how can a particle exchange lead to an attractive force?"

It's down to the symmetry of the wavefunction of the virtual particle.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Quantum/virtual_particles.html
 
Its to do with gauge invariance - it's not even really quantum in nature although its nice looking at it that way:
http://quantummechanics.ucsd.edu/ph130a/130_notes/node296.html

For the detail see if you can get a hold of the following:
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aapt/journal/ajp/61/2/10.1119/1.17279

The reason lies in the coupling to the EM field can take on positive and negative values. There is no more fundamental reason for that except you really would like some way to have zero net charge (charge is basically a measure of how strongly a particle couples to the EM field).

Chug through the math and low and behold like charges repel, opposites attract.

Thanks
Bill
 
There is also a nice and interesting discussion in Zee's book "Quantum field theory in a nutshell", which shows that whether a theory leads to repulsion or attraction of particles of like charge depends on the spin of the mediating particle being odd or even.
 
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