How Does Redshift Change Over Observational Time?

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The discussion focuses on the rate of change of redshift (z) over observational time (t_0) in a flat, single-component universe, as outlined in Ryden's "Introduction to Cosmology." The key equation derived is \(\frac{dz}{dt_0} = H_0(1+z) - H_0(1+z)^{\frac{3(1+w)}{2}}\), where w represents the equation of state parameter. The participants explore the implications of differentiating the relationship between redshift and time, ultimately questioning the validity of their calculations and the conditions under which the derivatives are taken.

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Greetings--this is from Ryden's Introduction to Cosmology, question # 5.2. Let me restate the question:

A light source in a flat, single-component universe has a redshift z when observed at a time t_0. Show that the observed redshift changes at a rate

\frac{dz}{dt_0} = H_0(1+z) - H_0(1+z)^{\frac{3(1+w)}{2}}

Here w is the equation of state parameter for whatever the universe is made of (e.g. w = 0 for matter, 1/3 for radiation).

Here is my best attempt so far:
Simplify notation by introducing y=\frac{2}{3(1+w)}

Then (eq. 5.51 in Ryder):
1+z = \left(\frac{t_0}{t_e}\right)^y
Where t_e is the time at which the light was emitted.

Also (eq. 5.48 in Ryder):
t_0 = \frac{y}{H_0}

So differentiating the first equation w/rt t_0, we get:

\frac{dz}{dt_0} = yt_0^{y-1}t_e^{-y} - y t_e^{-y-1}t_0^y \frac{dt_e}{t0}

\frac{dz}{dt_0} = H_0(1+z) - y t_e^{-1} (1+z) \frac{dt_e}{t0}

But \frac{dt_e}{t0} = (1+z)^{-1/y} from our equation (5.51) above. Equation (5.52) in Ryder also tell us:

t_e = \frac{y}{H_0}(1+z)^{-1/y}

So plugging these two in:
\frac{dz}{dt_0} = H_0(1+z) - y\left(\frac{H_0}{y}(1+z)^{1/y}\right)(1+z)(1+z)^{-1/y}

Which becomes identically zero! Where am I making my mistake?

Thanks,
Flip
 
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Is this one of those derivatives like you get in thermodynamics where the answer depends on whether you are holding t_e constant? And you end up using something like

\frac{dz}{dt_0}\frac{dt_0}{dt_e}\frac{dt_e}{dz} = -1 ?

These always confuse me.

Carl
 

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