How Does Regularizing Measures Relate to Rudin's Analysis?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of regularizing measures in the context of Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis. Participants explore the implications of regularity for Borel measures on \(\sigma\)-compact spaces, particularly focusing on the uniqueness of regular measures as described in the Riesz Representation theorem and the conditions under which complex measures can be regularized.

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  • Some participants inquire about the process of regularizing a measure \(\mu\) and its implications for the associated bounded linear functional.
  • It is noted that while Borel measures on \(\sigma\)-compact spaces are generally expected to be regular, there exist counterexamples where this is not the case.
  • One participant references the Riesz representation theorem, suggesting that if \(X\) is locally compact and Hausdorff, then the regular measure \(\mu'\) associated with a bounded linear functional is unique.
  • There is curiosity about the relationship between the original measure \(\mu\) and the regularized measure \(\mu'\), particularly under what conditions the difference \(\mu - \mu'\) is zero.
  • An example is provided involving the space \(X = [0, w]\), where \(w\) is the first uncountable ordinal, illustrating a case where regularity fails.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the general behavior of regularizing complex measures and whether this process yields measures that are "better behaved." Some speculate that irregular measures may be rare or not of significant interest.

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Participants express differing views on the regularity of Borel measures on \(\sigma\)-compact spaces, with some asserting that counterexamples exist while others seek clarification on specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of regularizing measures.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of regularity and the conditions under which measures are considered. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the regularization process.

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Reading Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis, a question in the .pdf attached.
(and no pressure about using the built-in Latex, please)
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Can you explain how you're "regularizing" [itex]\mu[/itex]?

And I suppose a Borel measure on a [itex]\sigma[/itex]-compact space like the complex plane has to be regular then?
No. There are examples of Borel measures on [itex]\sigma[/itex]-compact (even on compact) spaces which fail to be regular.
 
morphism said:
Can you explain how you're "regularizing" [itex]\mu[/itex]?
[itex]\mu[/itex] is associated with a bounded linear functional by [itex]\Phi(f) = \int_Xfd\mu[/itex]. Then by the Riesz representation theorem, if X is locally compact & Hausdorff, [itex]\Phi[/itex] is associated with a regular measure [itex]\mu^\prime[/itex] by [itex]\Phi(f) = \int_Xfd\mu^\prime[/itex]. So [itex]\int_Xfd(\mu-\mu^\prime)=0,[/itex] all [itex]f[/itex] in [itex]C_0(X)[/itex].
So the question is, how much does this say about the measure [itex]\mu-\mu^\prime[/itex]? Under what circumstances is it 0, so that all the complex measures on X are regular?
No. There are examples of Borel measures on [itex]\sigma[/itex]-compact (even on compact) spaces which fail to be regular.
If X is locally compact and Hausdorff can this still happen? example?
 
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The argument in Rudin's RACA for why the regular complex measure in the Riesz Representation theorem is unique, does apply just to regular measures. That's because the theorem that [itex]C_c(X)[/itex] (continuous fctns on X with compact support) is dense in [itex]L^p(\mu)[/itex] for [itex]1\le p[/itex]< [itex]\infty[/itex] just applies to regular measures.
From a theorem in Rudin's RACA, if [itex]X[/itex] is locally compact and Hausdorff, and every open set is [itex]\sigma[/itex]-compact, and [itex]\mu[/itex] is a complex Borel measure on [itex]X[/itex], [itex]|\mu|[/itex] is regular.
So I'm still wondering about regularizing complex measures, as described above, so that you get a new regular complex measure which gives the same integrals on [itex]C_0(X)[/itex]. How similar is the new measure? any examples of what happens with this process?
Laura
 
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lark said:
If X is locally compact and Hausdorff can this still happen? example?
The standard example is X=[0,w] where w is the first uncountable ordinal. This is an exercise in Rudin (last one in chapter 2 if you have the first edition).

As for your other question, I don't really know what happens in general. I'll think about it some more and let you know if I come up with anything.
 
morphism said:
As for your other question, I don't really know what happens in general. I'll think about it some more and let you know if I come up with anything.

Yeah, I was wondering if regularizing a measure this way is something that's mathematically useful, that you would get a measure that gives the same integrals (a lot of the time at least) but is better behaved. In the usual sensible spaces, all the complex measures are regular anyway, so maybe the measures that aren't regular are mostly weird counterexamples that people don't care about regularizing.
Laura
 
see attached .pdf
Laura
 

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