Readability of Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the readability and suitability of Rudin's "Real and Complex Analysis" (RCA) for self-study in real analysis, particularly in the context of participants' experiences with other texts, including Barry Simon's works. The conversation touches on topics such as measure theory, Banach spaces, and the historical development of analysis concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant finds Rudin-RCA more readable than his "Principles of Mathematical Analysis" (PMA) and expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the material.
  • Another participant expresses a strong negative opinion about Rudin's approach to analysis, suggesting it is detrimental.
  • Concerns are raised about Barry Simon's structure in his analysis texts, particularly regarding the order of topics like Hilbert spaces and measure theory.
  • Some participants argue that studying Hilbert spaces and Fourier theory before measure theory can be beneficial and historically motivated.
  • One participant requests specific sections from Simon's work that demonstrate its superiority over Rudin's treatment of measure theory.
  • Another participant shares that they find Simon's Part-1 to be better than Rudin-RCA, citing its integrating approaches and insights.
  • Supplementary texts such as Kolmogorov/Fomin and Halmos' Measure Theory are mentioned as additional resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the readability and effectiveness of Rudin's RCA compared to Barry Simon's texts. There is no consensus on which text is superior for learning real analysis, and multiple competing views remain regarding the structure and content of the materials discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight varying backgrounds and prior knowledge, which may influence their perspectives on the texts. The discussion reflects differing pedagogical approaches and personal preferences in learning analysis.

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So I decide to self-study the real analysis (measure theory, Banach space, etc.). Surprisingly, I found that Rudin-RCA is quite readable; it is less terse than his PMA. Although the required text for my introductory analysis course was PMA, I mostly studied from Hairer/Wanner's Analysis by Its History (I did not like PMA that much). Although I said readable, I do not know if I actually understand whole materials as I am middle of first chapter, and I already have topology background from Singer/Thorpe and Engelking (currently reading). I actually like Rudin-RCA, but I am not sure if I am taking great risk as many experience people seem to not liking Rudin for learning...

Is Rudin-RCA suitable for a first introduction to the real analysis? Is it outdated? What should I know if I decide to study Rudin-RCA?

I am not planning to read the chapters in complex analysis as I am reading Barry Simon's excellent books in the complex analysis.
 
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You know Barry Simon has other volumes on analysis too right, covering real and harmonic analysis.

But anyway, if you like Rudin, then read Rudin. But in my opinion, he's raping analysis.
 
micromass said:
You know Barry Simon has other volumes on analysis too right, covering real and harmonic analysis.

But anyway, if you like Rudin, then read Rudin. But in my opinion, he's raping analysis.

Yes, I actually read some pages of Simon's Part 1. However, I am worried that he starts with discussions on the Hilbert space and Fourier series first, followed by the measure theory. I thought that measure theory is used to explain them. Also, his discussions on the Borel measure and measurable functions are very different from Rudin.

By the way, why do you think Rudin-RCA is horrible for real analysis? I agree with his PMA book, but his RCA is motivating and thorough (at least from his Chapter 1).
 
bacte2013 said:
Yes, I actually read some pages of Simon's Part 1. However, I am worried that he starts with discussions on the Hilbert space and Fourier series first, followed by the measure theory. I thought that measure theory is used to explain them. Also, his discussions on the Borel measure and measurable functions are very different from Rudin.

You can perfectly do Hilbert spaces and Fourier theory before measure theory. This is what happened historically. It forms a good motivation for measure theory. I think Simon's treatment of measure theory is superior to Rudin, but that's up to you.
 
micromass said:
You can perfectly do Hilbert spaces and Fourier theory before measure theory. This is what happened historically. It forms a good motivation for measure theory. I think Simon's treatment of measure theory is superior to Rudin, but that's up to you.

Could you mention specific sections that I can feel the superiority of Simon? I would like to read them and compare them with Rudin. The book by Simon is all over...
 
I actually found Barry Simon's Part-1 to be better than Rudin-RCA. He offers many integrating approaches and insights to the real analysis, just like Part-2.
I also got Kolmogorov/Fomin to supplement the Banach/Hilbert spaces, and Halmos' Measure Theory for supplement as well.
 

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