How Does Scaling a Set Affect Its Supremum and Infimum?

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The discussion focuses on proving that for a positive constant \( c > 0 \), the supremum and infimum of a scaled set \( cA \) are given by \( \sup cA = c\sup A \) and \( \inf cA = c\inf A \). The proof involves demonstrating that all elements \( x \) in set \( A \) satisfy \( cx \leq c\sup A \) and \( cx \geq c\inf A \), establishing that \( c\sup A \) and \( c\inf A \) serve as the least upper bound and greatest lower bound for the scaled set \( cA \), respectively. The discussion also addresses concerns regarding the clarity of the proof, specifically the relationship between \( \sup cA \) and \( c\sup A \).

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If $c>0$, prove that

$\sup cA=c\sup A$ and $\inf cA=c\inf A$

My proof:

$x\le\sup A$ for all $x\in A$.

$cx\le c\sup A$ for all $x\in A$ ie $x\le c\sup A$ for all $x\in cA$. ------ (1)

$x\le b$ for all $x\in A\implies\sup A\le b$

$cx\le cb$ for all $x\in A\implies c\sup A\le cb$

$x\le cb$ for all $x\in cA\implies c\sup A\le cb$ ------ (2)

From (1) and (2), we see that $\sup cA=c\sup A$.

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$x\ge\inf A$ for all $x\in A$.

$cx\ge c\inf A$ for all $x\in A$ ie $x\ge c\inf A$ for all $x\in cA$. ------ (3)

$x\ge b$ for all $x\in A\implies\inf A\ge b$

$cx\ge cb$ for all $x\in A\implies c\inf A\ge cb$

$x\ge cb$ for all $x\in cA\implies c\inf A\ge cb$ ------ (4)

From (3) and (4), we see that $\inf cA=c\inf A$.

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Is that ok?
 
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Alexmahone said:
If $c>0$, prove that
$\sup cA=c\sup A$ and $\inf cA=c\inf A$
My proof:
$x\le\sup A$ for all $x\in A$.
$cx\le c\sup A$ for all $x\in A$ ie $x\le c\sup A$ for all $x\in cA$. ------ (1)
$x\le b$ for all $x\in A\implies\sup A\le b$
$cx\le cb$ for all $x\in A\implies c\sup A\le cb$
$x\le cb$ for all $x\in cA\implies c\sup A\le cb$ ------ (2)
From (1) and (2), we see that $\sup cA=c\sup A$.
It is not clear that you have shown $\sup cA=c\sup A$.
It is clear that $\sup cA\le c\sup A$.
What if $\sup cA < c\sup A~?$
 
Plato said:
It is not clear that you have shown $\sup cA=c\sup A$.
It is clear that $\sup cA\le c\sup A$.
What if $\sup cA < c\sup A~?$

The statement $x\le cb$ for all $x\in cA\implies c\sup A\le cb$ takes care of that.

This basically means that if there is another upper bound, it will be $\ge c\sup A$. So, $c\sup A$ is the smallest upper bound of $cA$.
 
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