How does smoothing an AC voltage with a capacitor work?

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The discussion revolves around the operation of smoothing an AC voltage using a capacitor, focusing on the assumptions regarding capacitor charging, voltage calculations, and the concept of conduction in a circuit with a diode. Participants are addressing specific parts of a problem related to these concepts.

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  • One participant suggests that the capacitor charges to maximum when the AC voltage reaches its peak, questioning the validity of this assumption and its conditions.
  • Another participant confirms that if the voltage source can deliver the necessary current, the capacitor will charge to the maximum voltage minus a small voltage drop over the diode.
  • There is a discussion about the calculations for part (iii), where one participant presents their approach to finding the voltage difference and expresses confusion about their results, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the peak voltage values.
  • For part (iv), a participant seeks clarification on the meaning of "conducting," interpreting it as allowing current to flow 50% of the time, while another explains that conduction occurs when the voltage at the anode is greater than at the cathode.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding capacitor charging and the interpretation of voltage values, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion on the definition of "conducting" also reflects a lack of consensus.

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Participants reference specific calculations and assumptions about peak and RMS voltage values, as well as the behavior of the capacitor and diode in the circuit, which may depend on additional context not fully explored in the discussion.

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Specifically for part (i) and (ii), I get the rough idea that when the voltage of the AC source is decreasing, the capacitor can discharge to "cushion" the drop in voltage. However, I have some questions about when this occurs.

1. There is an assumption that the capacitor will be charged to maximum when the AC voltage reaches its peak. Why is this assumption (largely) true?

2. How should I solve part (iii) and part (iv)?
For part (iii), I know that the period of discharge is approximately 1/f = 0.02, and RC = 0.5.
The capacitor should have Voltage = 20(e^-0.02/0.5), and the maximum voltage is 20V. The difference of the 2 values is 0.78, which is twice the correct answer of 0.39V. (BTW I am assuming 20V is the max voltage, not the RMS value, do correct me if I'm wrong.)

For part (iv), I think I am not very clear on what "conducting" means. I took "conducting" to mean "allows current to flow through", isn't that just 50% of the time?

All help is appreciated, thank you!
 
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Hi,
phantomvommand said:
1. There is an assumption that the capacitor will be charged to maximum when the AC voltage reaches its peak. Why is this assumption (largely) true?
If the voltage source can deliver the necessary current, then the capacitor is charged up to the maximum voltage minus the (small) voltage drop over the diode.
Before we delve into iii and iv, please post your sketches and describe them in some detail. Then your questions about them will be easier to tackle.
 
BvU said:
Hi,
If the voltage source can deliver the necessary current, then the capacitor is charged up to the maximum voltage minus the (small) voltage drop over the diode.
Before we delve into iii and iv, please post your sketches and describe them in some detail. Then your questions about them will be easier to tackle.
Screenshot 2021-03-11 at 9.02.12 PM.png

Thanks for the reply. Above are my sketches. Due to smaller RC value for the 100 ohm case, the capacitor discharges much much faster. I think that part (iii) is asking for the difference in potential between the point where the potential of discharged capacitor = potential of AC source, and the maximum point.
 
phantomvommand said:
For part (iii), I know that the period of discharge is approximately 1/f = 0.02, and RC = 0.5.
The capacitor should have Voltage = 20(e^-0.02/0.5), and the maximum voltage is 20V. The difference of the 2 values is 0.78, which is twice the correct answer of 0.39V. (BTW I am assuming 20V is the max voltage, not the RMS value, do correct me if I'm wrong.)
The 20 V is given is said to be peak-to-peak, so the amplitude is 10 V and there is your factor 2.

phantomvommand said:
For part (iv), I think I am not very clear on what "conducting" means. I took "conducting" to mean "allows current to flow through", isn't that just 50% of the time?
The diode conducts if the voltage at the anode (input) is greater than the voltage at the cathode (output )
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So you are supposed to set up some equation and estimate the time this is the case.

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