How does the atmosphere affect human weight on Earth?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of Earth's atmosphere on human weight, exploring concepts of buoyancy, pressure, and variations in weight due to geographical differences. Participants examine both theoretical and practical implications of atmospheric pressure and its relationship to weight measurement.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Earth's atmosphere exerts a slight upward buoyant force, potentially decreasing human weight marginally.
  • Others question the extent of this buoyancy, with one participant suggesting that a person weighing 150 pounds might feel a relief of less than a pound due to atmospheric displacement.
  • There is a discussion about how the thickness of the atmosphere could influence pressure exerted on humans, with a participant comparing it to water pressure at depth.
  • Some participants assert that weight can vary in different parts of the Earth, depending on the type of scale used and the effects of gravity and centrifugal force due to Earth's rotation.
  • One participant clarifies that scales measuring weight can yield different readings based on location, such as the equator versus the poles, due to gravitational differences and the Earth's shape.
  • Another participant emphasizes that atmospheric pressure is always present, suggesting that humans are adapted to it rather than it being a new or unusual force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of atmospheric pressure on weight, with some agreeing on the concept of buoyancy while others debate the implications and measurements involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of these effects and the conditions under which they apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that definitions of weight can vary, particularly between colloquial and scientific contexts. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the density of air and how it interacts with human weight.

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Does Earth's thick layer of atmosphere push down on us, increasing our weights drastically?
 
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It decreases our weight, very slightly.
 
So humans are slightly buoyant? If I weighed 150 pounds would it be relieving less than a pound?

Also how thick would our atmosphere have to be to have it exert pressure on us? For instance like how at certain depths water pressure starts to overcome buoyant forces on an object.
 
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blarznik said:
So humans are slightly buoyant?
Exactly.

If I weighed 150 pounds would it be relieving less than a pound?
Let's assume you have a density of 1 g/cc. Some people float, some sink, so 1 g/cc is about right. Air at sea level has a density of about 1.2 kg/m3, so that means you displace about 2.9 ounces of air.
 
It it true that in different parts of the Earth the weight of a particular human is different?
 
Allenbon said:
It it true that in different parts of the Earth the weight of a particular human is different?
That depends on what you mean by "weight" and what kind of scale you use to measure it.

The scale you step on in a doctor's office uses gravity to balance two objects. These scales measure mass. Whether that doctor's scale is used at the north pole, the equator, or some hypothetical station on the Moon, it will register more or less the same "weight". Here, weight is being used in the legal (in the US) and colloquial (almost everywhere) sense: Weight is a synonym for mass, and has units of mass.

The scale you step on in your bathroom measures the force needed to offset the force due to gravity on a rotating Earth. Take that scale to the north pole, the equator, or that hypothetical station on the Moon, it will register different values for your "weight". Here, weight is being used in the sense of what some call scale weight. This weight is a force and properly has units of force. Your bathroom scale displays this force in units of mass assuming that gravitational acceleration is 9.80665 meters/second/second.

The Earth is rotating, so this adds a centrifugal force component (directed outward, so subtractive) to the force measured by a bathroom scale; this varies from zero at the poles to a maximum at the equator. The rotation also makes the Earth have an equatorial bulge, so someone on the equator is further from the center of the Earth than is someone at the north pole. Both effects reduce scale weight slightly at the equator compared to at the poles. For our 150 pound (mass) person, the effect is to reduce the scale weight by about 12.7 ounces-force.
 
Thank you D H, now it is clear.
 
"or some hypothetical station on the Moon, it will register more or less the same "weight".

If it is a classic 'balance' with counter-weights, sure, it measures mass minus relative densities' buoyancy correction. But, if it is a spring or force-feedback device then the weight displayed will vary according to local gravity.

D'uh, we had to fully re-calibrate laboratory balances if we moved them to a taller bench, never mind down to the production area...
 
blarznik said:
Also how thick would our atmosphere have to be to have it exert pressure on us? For instance like how at certain depths water pressure starts to overcome buoyant forces on an object.

It is always exerting pressure on us, we are simply adapted to living in this atmosphere.
 

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