How does the Cerenkov effect work for neutrinos, despite them having no charge?

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The discussion centers around the Cerenkov effect and its application in detecting neutrinos, particularly addressing the apparent contradiction of how this effect can occur with neutrinos, which are neutral particles. Participants explore the mechanisms of detection and the nature of the light produced, including its color and energy characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Cerenkov effect is typically associated with charged particles, raising the question of how it applies to neutrinos, which have no charge.
  • One participant explains that neutrinos interact with matter, producing charged particles like electrons or muons, which then generate Cerenkov radiation.
  • Another participant discusses the detection of neutrinos through the particles produced in their interactions, emphasizing the signature events in muon-neutrino detectors.
  • There is a mention that the light produced is primarily in the ultraviolet spectrum, although it is often referred to as blue light.
  • A participant points out the distinction between neutrons and neutrinos, clarifying that while neutrons are neutral, they are composed of charged quarks, unlike neutrinos.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the Cerenkov effect involves the detection of charged particles produced by neutrino interactions, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the light's characteristics or the mechanisms involved in the detection process.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of particle interactions and the unresolved details regarding the energy of the photons produced in the Cerenkov effect.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, neutrino detection methods, or the properties of Cerenkov radiation.

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Hi everyone,

I just have a question regarding a project I'm doing at the moment. I decided to write about the detection of neutrinos, and hence have to explain the Cerenkov effect which is used in the water detectors. What I can't understand is that, from what I've read so far, the Cerenkov effect only works for charged particles, and neutrinos have no charge! Can someone explain why the effect still occurs? Also, why is the light produced necessarily blue? I've seen why the angle produced occurs, but nothing I've read mentions the energy of the photons produced.

Thanks so much for any help
 
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bjaw said:
Hi everyone,

I just have a question regarding a project I'm doing at the moment. I decided to write about the detection of neutrinos, and hence have to explain the Cerenkov effect which is used in the water detectors. What I can't understand is that, from what I've read so far, the Cerenkov effect only works for charged particles, and neutrinos have no charge! Can someone explain why the effect still occurs? Also, why is the light produced necessarily blue? I've seen why the angle produced occurs, but nothing I've read mentions the energy of the photons produced.

Thanks so much for any help

To the first part of your question, when neutrinos intract with matter, such as water, they will knock out either relativistic electrons or muons. It is these electrons and muons that are producing the cerenkov radiation.

As to why it is blue (actually, most of it is in the UV, but something we can't see with our eyes), you may want to read here:

http://www.physics.upenn.edu/balloon/cerenkov_radiation.html

Zz.
 
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In fact, the only way that we can detect neutrinos in any kind of detector, is by detecting the particles that they produce when they interact. For example, when a high-energy muon-neutrino interacts with a nucleon in an atomic nucleus, you typically get a single muon and a "jet" of other particles (mostly pions, protons, neutrons, etc., but also e+e- and mu+mu- pairs from pair production). Muon-neutrino detectors look for events with this "signature."
 
Thanks for the swift reponses! That's helped a lot.
 
As far as using Cherenkov light to detect neutrinos, this http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/sno/sno2.html#interactions" explains the interaction of a neutrino and the deuterium nucleus in which the nucleus emits a high speed electron. It also describes the interaction of gamma rays and electrons (the gamma rays are produced after the nucleus interacts with a neutrino sending off a free neutron which is then captured by a chlorine nucleus) and of a neutrino directly with an electron. All three produce Chenenkov light which is detected in the photomultiplier tubes around the heavy water.

AM
 
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Not to mention neutrons has no NET charge. They are made up of charged quarks though.
 
Gib Z said:
Not to mention neutrons has no NET charge. They are made up of charged quarks though.

Neutrons are, but this thread seems to be discussing neutrinos which are fundamental particles and are not the same things as neutrons.
 

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