How does the height of a leaning ladder change with respect to its angle?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the angle of a leaning ladder and the height of its top end above the ground. Participants explore the mathematical implications of this relationship, particularly focusing on the rate of change of height with respect to the angle when the ladder is at a specific angle of 60 degrees. The discussion includes elements of mathematical reasoning and technical explanation.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the equation $\sin{\theta}=\frac{x}{10}$ to relate the height $x$ to the angle $\theta$ but struggles with the differentiation process.
  • Another participant suggests that accounting for the conversion from feet per radian to feet per degree is necessary to arrive at the correct answer.
  • A different participant provides their differentiation steps, showing the relationship between the angle and the height through implicit differentiation.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the conversion from radians to degrees and confirms that $\frac{\pi}{36}$ is approximately equal to 0.087 ft/degree.
  • Another participant mentions finding a better explanation and method on a different forum, indicating dissatisfaction with other sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for solving the problem, and there are varying levels of understanding regarding the conversion between radians and degrees. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective approach to the differentiation and conversion process.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the conversion factors involved in the differentiation process, and there are mentions of differing methods found in other resources that may not align with the discussion here.

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A 10ft ladder leans against a wall at angle $\theta$ with the horizontal. The top of the ladder is $x$ ft above the ground.
If the bottom of the ladder is pushed toward toward the wall, find the rate at which x changes with respect to $\theta$ when $\theta = 60^0$. Express the answer in units of feet\degree

Well this is not related to time. And I thot that using $\sin{\theta}=\frac{x}{10}$ but after taking derivatives I couldn't get the Answer of 0.087 ft / degree.
 
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Did you account for the conversion from ft/rad to ft/deg? Doing so will give you the answer you cite. :D
 
Well. I did this

$10\sin{\theta}=x$

$\frac{d}{d\theta}10\cos{\theta}=\frac{d}{dx}$
 
This is what I did:

$$\sin(\theta)=\frac{x}{10}$$

Implicitly differentiate with respect to $\theta$:

$$\cos(\theta)=\frac{1}{10}\cdot\d{x}{\theta}$$

$$\left.\d{x}{\theta}\right|_{\theta=\frac{\pi}{3}}=10\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)\frac{\text{ft}}{\text{rad}}=5\frac{\text{ft}}{\text{rad}}\cdot\frac{\pi\text{ rad}}{180\text{ deg}}=\frac{\pi}{36}\,\frac{\text{ft}}{\text{deg}}$$
 
OK, see now, I didn't know how to deal with the radiansSo $$\frac{\pi}{36}=0.087$$'
 
The best answer and method was here at MHB

I went to some other sites with this problem but the method was hard to understand plus the answer was wrong. I should just stay here.
 

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