How Does the Pauli Exclusion Principle Influence Orbital Stability in Atoms?

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The discussion centers around the influence of the Pauli Exclusion Principle on the stability of atomic orbitals, particularly in the context of electron configurations in atoms and molecules. Participants explore theoretical implications, examples from atomic structure, and comparisons with bonding theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Pauli Exclusion Principle allows two electrons to occupy the same orbital by differing in spin, which they believe contributes to orbital stability.
  • One participant questions the assertion that having two electrons in an orbital makes it more stable than having one, asking for examples to support this claim.
  • Another participant draws a parallel with the shell model of the nucleus, suggesting that an even number of nucleons contributes to stability due to a pairing force.
  • In the context of ionic bonding, it is noted that non-metals like fluorine gain electrons to fill their orbitals, which may relate to the stability of electron configurations.
  • One participant emphasizes that the stability of a molecule cannot be solely attributed to the Pauli Exclusion Principle, arguing that electron repulsion plays a significant role and that electrons will occupy orbitals based on energy considerations.
  • There is a suggestion that discussions of molecular stability should reference quantum mechanical theories such as Valence-Bond (VB) theory or Molecular Orbital (MO) theory rather than classical models like Lewis structures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the Pauli Exclusion Principle contributes to increased stability with two electrons in an orbital. Some challenge this idea, leading to an unresolved debate regarding the implications of the principle in atomic and molecular contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of atomic and molecular stability, with participants referencing various models and theories. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider quantum mechanical frameworks when discussing electron configurations and bonding.

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The Pauli Exclusion Principle is the reason more than two electrons cannot occupy the same orbital. This is easy for me to grasp.
Why, then, does the Pauli Exclusion Principle make an orbital MORE stable with two electrons as opposed to one?
(This is in the interest of knowledge. I'm not doubting the validity of any physicist's theories.)
 
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The Pauli exclusion principle forbids to electrons two occupy the same state; so two electrons in one orbital differ by their spin. In the hydrogen atom one can label states using the quantum numbers n,l,m; n=1,2, ...; l=0,1,...,n-1; m=-l,-l+1,...,0,...,l-1,l; s=-1/2,+1/2
 
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Why, then, does the Pauli Exclusion Principle make an orbital MORE stable with two electrons as opposed to one?
I don't think it does, does it? Do you have an example in mind?

There is an effect similar to this in the shell model of the nucleus, in which an even number of protons or neutrons makes the nucleus more stable, due to a 'pairing force' thought to be a residual effect of the nucleon-nucleon interaction.
 
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I don't think it does, does it? Do you have an example in mind?

In the case of ionic bonding, a non-metal (e.g. fluorine) will gain electrons to ensure that each of it's occupied electron orbitals are full (containing two electrons).
 
JDude13 said:
In the case of ionic bonding, a non-metal (e.g. fluorine) will gain electrons to ensure that each of it's occupied electron orbitals are full (containing two electrons).

An atom doesn't have the same orbitals when it's in a molecule as if it's a free atom. A molecule like HF is not more stable as H+ and F-, if you pull it apart. You must be thinking about Lewis theory and how they 'want' a noble gas structure, but that doesn't have a lot to do with orbitals and the Pauli principle.

If you want to talk molecules in terms of QM, you'd normally describe it in terms of Valence-Bond (VB) theory or Molecular orbital (MO) theory. In which case a HF molecule bonds by forming a sigma bonding MO, alternately an sp-hybrid (in VB theory) from the hydrogen 1s orbital and one of the fluorine 2p orbitals.

The Pauli principle doesn't make an orbital more stable with two electrons than one. Electrons repel each other, and their mutual repulsion couldn't be larger than the one between electrons in the same orbital. They'll only share the same orbital if that orbital is low enough in energy. Otherwise they'll spread out as much as possible, to reduce overlap, but also to maximize the total spin. (Which reduces repulsion through the Pauli principle, since they can't be at the same place at the same time when they have the same spin) This is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hund%27s_rule_of_maximum_multiplicity" An example is the triplet ground-state of the oxygen molecule.

A non-metal atom will gain electrons to fill a Lewis octet or 18. But if you're going to talk about orbitals, the Pauli principle and quantum topics, you also need to drop the pre-quantum Lewis model for theories of bonding actually based on QM. Which means VB and/or MO theory.
 
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