How does the sequence {b_n} converge to max {a, K}?

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The discussion centers on the convergence of the sequence {b_n}, defined as b_n = max {a_n, K}, where {a_n} is a decreasing sequence converging to "a" and "K" is a constant. Participants explore the conditions under which {b_n} converges to max {a, K}, considering different cases based on the relationship between "a" and "K".

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  • Some participants suggest considering two cases: K >= a and K < a, to analyze the convergence of {b_n}.
  • One participant proposes that if K >= a, then for sufficiently large n, b_n will equal K, leading to convergence to max {a, K}.
  • Another participant argues that if a > K, then for large n, b_n will equal a_n, which converges to "a", thus also leading to max {a, K}.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the cases a >= K and a < K, with the implication that the analysis remains similar.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to formally prove the convergence using epsilon-delta definitions.

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Participants generally agree on the need to analyze the convergence based on the relationship between "a" and "K", but there is no consensus on the formal proof or the best approach to demonstrate the convergence of {b_n} to max {a, K}.

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Some participants mention the use of well-known theorems to avoid reverting to the epsilon-delta definition, indicating a reliance on established mathematical principles without fully resolving the proof steps.

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Facts:
1. We have the decrecient sequence {a_n} which converges to "a".
2. Let "K" be a constant.
3. We have the decrecient sequence {b_n} where b_n = max { a_n, K }.

I read in Apostol that {b_n} converges to max {a, K} but I can't figure how. Can you help me? Thanks.
 
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Decreasing.

The most straight-forward way is probably to separately consider the cases K >= a and K < a.
 
Sorry that I can't use latex, there is some problem in the PC.

I will follow your suggerence.

1) Let us suppose that K >= a. Then for all epsilon > 0 we can find N(e) / if n > N then l b_n - K l = l max (a_n, K) - K l < epsilon.

2) Now let us suppose that a > K. Then for all epsilon > 0 we can find N(e) / if n > N then l b_n - a l = l max (a_n, K) - a l < epsilon.

Hm, excuse me but I can't see how these statements help to prove that max (a_n, K) tends to max (a, K).
 
Now that I think about it, it's probably slightly easier to consider a >= K and a < K (not that it makes much of a difference really).

There is no need to revert to the definition of convergence. (Or at least the epsilon stuff will be hidden in well-known theorems we can use).

Suppose a < K. Eventually a_n < K. So, eventually b_n = what?
 
Two options: a >= K, K > a.

We try first a >= K. Then there is an N such that for any n > N we got a_n >= K. Then for any n > N we got b_n (equal, by definition, to max {a_n, K} ) = a_n. So b_n converges to "a", which is max {a, K}.

Now we try a < K. Then there is an N such that for any n > N we got a_n < K. Then for any n > N we got b_n (equal, by definition, to max {a_n, K} ) = K. So b_n converges to "K", which is max {a, K}.

Thank you, Muzza, happy new year for you and your beloved ones!
 

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