How does the substitution in equations 3.2.4 and 3.2.5 work?

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The discussion revolves around the substitution process in equations 3.2.4 and 3.2.5 from a Schaum outline, focusing on the application of partial derivatives and the chain rule in the context of changing variables in a mathematical problem. Participants express confusion and seek clarification on the mechanics of these substitutions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the substitutions in equations 3.2.4 and 3.2.5, describing them as "black magic."
  • Another participant explains that the derivatives of x and X with respect to x1 and x2 are taken, providing an example of the derivative calculation.
  • A different participant asserts that the substitution involves switching to new variables x and X, and emphasizes the need to determine how the derivatives act when changing variables.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding the initial explanation but raises a new question regarding the relationship between equations on pages 26-27, specifically about the presence of a negative Ecm.
  • A later reply suggests multiplying equation 14 by -1 and substituting it into equation 13 to clarify the relationship leading to equation 16.

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Participants show varying levels of understanding regarding the substitutions in equations 3.2.4 and 3.2.5, with some expressing clarity while others remain confused about related equations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the negative Ecm.

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I am not posting this in the homework section because it is not really a homework problem. Its from the schaum outline and I am stumped in this:

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I have NO idea about 3.2.4 and 3.2.5. Its black magic! How the hell does that substitution work?

Thanks
 
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In 3.2.4 they simply take the derivatives of x and X with respect to x1 and x2.

Example:

<br /> \frac{\partial x}{\partial x_1}=\frac{\partial x_1-x_2}{\partial x_1}=\frac{\partial x_1}{\partial x_1}-\frac{\partial x_2}{\partial x_1}=1<br />

Because x2 is a constant with respect to x1. The others go the same way. In 3.2.5 they use the chain rule.
 
It's a simple partial derivative. It has nothing to do with the problem. You're looking at

\begin{array}{l}<br /> x = x_1 - x_2 \\ <br /> X = \frac{{m_1 x_1 + m_2 x_2 }}{{m_1 + m_2 }} \\ <br /> \end{array}

however the problem is stated in terms of x_1 and x_2. You're simply switching to these new variable x and X. When you want to switch variable in a problem that involves derivatives, you'll need to determine how the derivatives act. What you're looking for is instead of \frac{\partial }{{\partial x_1 }} and \frac{\partial }{{\partial x_2 }}, you're looking for \frac{\partial }{{\partial x}} and\frac{\partial }{{\partial X}}. Simple chain rule shows for example <br /> \frac{\partial }{{\partial X}} = \frac{\partial }{{\partial x_1 }}\frac{{dx_1 }}{{dX}} + \frac{\partial }{{\partial x_1 }}\frac{{dx_2 }}{{dX}}<br /> which is about what's going on except you're going the other way and looking for the what \frac{\partial }{{\partial x_1}} is and \frac{\partial }{{\partial x_2}} is
 
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Multiply equation 14 by -1 on both sides, then plug the result into equation 13 to obtain equation 16.
 

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