How Does Time Dilation Vary Across the Galaxy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of time dilation as described by special and general relativity, specifically in the context of its variation across the galaxy. Participants explore how time might be affected by gravitational fields, particularly near black holes and in different regions of the galaxy, and whether this could explain observed stellar motions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether time moves slower or faster in the inner parts of the galaxy, suggesting that proximity to a black hole might slow time down, while also noting the observed angular velocity of stars in different regions of the galaxy.
  • Another participant asserts that time does move slower in the inner galaxy, but emphasizes that the effect is minimal.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of popular science descriptions of time at the event horizon of black holes, with a participant clarifying that time does not stop there.
  • One participant argues against the idea that time dilation could explain the angular velocity of stars, stating that time dilation effects are negligible for the diffuse structure of a galaxy.
  • Another participant highlights that significant gravitational time dilation is only noticeable near extremely dense objects, such as black holes or neutron stars, and requires sensitive measurements.
  • A later reply humorously comments on the role of a science advisor in the film "Interstellar," acknowledging the liberties taken with scientific concepts while recognizing the underlying real science presented in the film.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of time dilation in the context of galactic dynamics, with some asserting its minimal impact while others suggest it could play a role. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of time dilation on observed stellar motions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that gravitational time dilation is complex and depends on gravitational potential, which varies across the galaxy. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical complexities involved in these considerations.

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I'm just wondering about time dilation in regards to both special and general relativity within our galaxy. Does time move slower or faster relative to us within the inner parts of the galaxy? I know at the horizon of the black hole time is effectively not moving. This implies that locations closer to the black hole will move slower in time. But we also see stars moving on the outer edge of the galaxy moving around the center of the galaxy with an equal angular velocity as the stars on the inner parts of the galaxy. Could this be explained by time dilation? Current theory uses dark matter to explain why the angular velocity of stars revolving around the center of the galaxy are moving faster than expected, but could it just be that they experience less gravity and thus feel less effect of time dilation causing us to see them moving faster since we are moving slower in time?
 
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PhDnotForMe said:
Does time move slower or faster relative to us within the inner parts of the galaxy?
In the sense you mean, slower. The effect is tiny, though.
PhDnotForMe said:
I know at the horizon of the black hole time is effectively not moving.
This is common in popsci descriptions of black holes, but isn't accurate. Schwarzschild coordinate time is singular at the horizon, but that doesn't mean "time stops".
PhDnotForMe said:
But we also see stars moving on the outer edge of the galaxy moving around the center of the galaxy with an equal angular velocity as the stars on the inner parts of the galaxy. Could this be explained by time dilation?
No. Time dilation is not significant for something as diffuse as a galaxy.
PhDnotForMe said:
they experience less gravity and thus feel less effect of time dilation
You have this wrong. Gravitational time dilation is dependent on gravitational potential (actually, it's more complex than that in this situation because the galaxy isn't a non-rotating spherically symmetric mass), which is larger near the centre of a galaxy than the rim.
 
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Basically, you have to be incredibly close to an extremely dense object (such as a black hole or a neutron star) for gravitational time dilation to be noticeable without incredibly sensitive time measurements.
 
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kimbyd said:
Basically, you have to be incredibly close to an extremely dense object (such as a black hole or a neutron star) for gravitational time dilation to be noticeable without incredibly sensitive time measurements.

It's a good job you weren't the science advisor on Interstellar!
 
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PeroK said:
It's a good job you weren't the science advisor on Interstellar!
Honestly, the science advisor for Interstellar is way, way more knowledgeable about this stuff than I am. Kip Thorne is one of the world's leading experts on General Relativity, and is one of the co-authors on one of the best-regarded GR textbooks (Gravitation by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler).

The movie makers certainly took some significant liberties with that movie, but what's interesting to me about it was that I definitely recognized the real scientific concepts they were drawing from throughout. Honestly, there were a lot of inaccuracies, but I kind of loved how parts of the movie alluded to real scientific concepts that few people would be exposed to (such as the laws of physics not working in the extra-dimensional space, and the freedom of motion through "time" inside the black hole). Each one was really inaccurate in the movie, but there was also a kernel of real science there.
 
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