How Does Water Influence the Taste of Frangelico?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the influence of water on the taste of Frangelico, a hazelnut liqueur, particularly in relation to the size of ice cubes used when serving the drink. Participants explore the organic chemistry aspects of alcohol and water interaction, as well as sensory perceptions related to temperature and viscosity.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the hydroxy group in alcohol makes it hydrophilic, leading to a dilution effect when mixed with water, which may alter the drink's thickness and taste.
  • Another participant agrees that viscosity affects taste and notes that colder drinks tend to taste smoother, linking this to the size of ice cubes and their melting rate.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of designing a rigorous experiment to test these ideas and raises the question of whether the temperature of the ice also influences the taste.
  • Another contribution mentions that water can enhance the taste profile of liquors, suggesting a similar effect for liqueurs, and humorously proposes a method to improve the drinking experience through environmental factors.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of ice, with a participant warning that ice from home freezers may carry food odors that could affect the drink's flavor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the interaction between water and alcohol affects the taste of Frangelico, but there are multiple competing views on the specifics of how this occurs, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions regarding the effects of ice size, temperature, and water content on taste, but these assumptions are not fully explored or validated within the discussion.

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Hello all,

I have had trouble preparing Frangelico. For those who have not tasted Frangelico, it's simply a hazelnut liqueur, served on the rocks with ice. Here is my dilemma (and it's relation to organic chemistry):

When I go out and buy it, it's incredible, yet when I made it at home on ice, it's not the same. The only difference is the size of the ice cubes. So this got me wondering, how does the presence of water affect the drink?

I have only studied the basics of organic chemistry, but I came up with a reasoning I was hoping could be discussed and tested against all you organic chemists out there :-p

Alcohol has a hydroxy group (OH) which makes it hydrophilic; as such, it is miscible in water. My idea is that the alcohol bonds with the water, effectively 'mixing' the drink. This dilutes the taste of alcohol and makes the drink less thick.

Hence, the ice simply 'thins' the alcohol? So larger ice cubes implies slower release of water, in turn implying the alcohol stays 'thick' (and unpalatable) for longer.

Can anyone validate this idea?

Cheers!
Adrian G.
 
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The viscosity of the drink definitely affects how it tastes and the overall "harshness" of it. This is why many alcoholic beverages taste so much smoother when cold.

You're also right about the ice cubes: greater surface area, as by crushing, leads to more rapid melting for the same mass of ice.

Now, how this all fits together to affect the taste, I do not know! Your logic is sound, though. Time to design an experiment!
 
Just remember to design the experiment and rigid procedure BEFORE starting experimenting.

I wonder if temperature of the ice doesn't play a role as well.
 
Water content is known to open up the taste profile of liquors like scotch whiskey so I suppose it's true for liqueurs as well. Try leaving the iced drink on the counter for 5 minutes before serving, pay 6-7 dollars and a little for the tip, have a good-looking neighbor serve it and don't clean up after yourself.

I'm guessing it's going to taste better.

Don't use the ice from your fridge either. It picks up food odors (garlic, onion, unmentionable stuff that should have been thrown out weeks ago, etc...) There aren't any food odors flavoring the ice at your local bar. Buy your ice at the grocery store and get to know that good looking neighbor.
 

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