How does ${X}_{w}\subset {X^*}_{w}$ occur in modular metric space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between two sets, ${X}_{w}$ and ${X^*}_{w}$, in the context of modular metric spaces. Participants explore the definitions of these sets and the conditions under which one is included in the other, while addressing the implications of the metric used.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the definitions of ${X}_{w}$ and ${X^*}_{w}$ and asserts that ${X}_{w} \subset {X^*}_{w}$, seeking clarification on how this inclusion occurs.
  • Post 2 suggests a proof strategy by proposing to show that if $x \notin X_w^{*}$, then $x \notin X_w$, implying a straightforward approach to the inclusion.
  • Post 3 expresses difficulty in proving the inclusion, indicating uncertainty about the argument presented.
  • Post 4 questions the meaning of $|x-y|$ and whether $X$ is a subset of $\mathbb{R}$, suggesting that ${X}_{w}$ might equal $X$ under certain conditions.
  • Post 5 corrects a previous statement regarding the metric notation, clarifying that ${d}_{w}$ was incorrectly referenced and should be ${d}_{\lambda}$.
  • Post 6 challenges the use of the metric $d$ and argues that both ${X}_{w}$ and ${X^*}_{w}$ could be equal to $X$, providing reasoning based on the metric's properties.
  • Post 7 references an external paper for additional context on modular metric spaces and reiterates the request for clarification on the inclusion of ${X}_{w}$ in ${X^*}_{w}$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between ${X}_{w}$ and ${X^*}_{w}$, with some suggesting they are equal while others maintain that the inclusion holds. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of this relationship.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the definitions of the metrics involved and the implications of the conditions set for the sets ${X}_{w}$ and ${X^*}_{w}$. Additionally, the discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the space $X$ and the metrics applied.

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Let $d$ be a metric on $X$. Fix ${x}_{0}\in X$. Let ${d}_{\lambda}\left(x,y\right)=\frac{1}\lambda{}\left| x-y \right|$ and The two sets

${X}_{w}={X}_{w}\left({x}_{0}\right)=\left\{x\in X:{d}_{\lambda}\left(x,{x}_{0}\right)\to0\left( as \lambda\to\infty\right) \right \}$

and

${X^*}_{w}={X^*}_{w}\left({x}_{0}\right)=\left\{x\in X:\exists\lambda=\lambda\left(x\right)>0 such that {d}_{w}\left(x,{{x}_{0}}\right)<\infty\right\}$

Then, it is clear that ${X}_{w}\subset{X^*}_{w}$...How this happens ? Please can you explain ? Thank you for your attention...Best wishes...
 
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Well, in fact the inclusion is quite intuitive. To prove it you could do the following. In stead of proving: $x \in X_w \Rightarrow x \in X_w^{*}$ you prove $x \notin X_w^{*} \Rightarrow x \notin X_w$. It will be straightforward then. Do you see?
 
Dear Siron,

First of all, thank you for your attention...But I couldn't prove this...Best wishes..
 
ozkan12 said:
Let $d$ be a metric on $X$. Fix ${x}_{0}\in X$. Let ${d}_{\lambda}\left(x,y\right)=\frac{1}\lambda{}\left| x-y \right|$
What is $|x-y|$? Is it the case that $X\subseteq\Bbb R$?

ozkan12 said:
${X}_{w}={X}_{w}\left({x}_{0}\right)=\left\{x\in X:{d}_{\lambda}\left(x,{x}_{0}\right)\to0\left( as \lambda\to\infty\right) \right \}$
Doesn't this mean that $X_w=X$ since it is always the case that $\frac{1}{\lambda}d(x,y)\to 0$ as $\lambda\to\infty$?

ozkan12 said:
${X^*}_{w}={X^*}_{w}\left({x}_{0}\right)=\left\{x\in X:\exists\lambda=\lambda\left(x\right)>0 such that {d}_{w}\left(x,{{x}_{0}}\right)<\infty\right\}$
What is $d_w$?
 
$X\subseteq R$ and ${d}_{w}$ is wrong, I wrote wrong it, it must be ${d}_{\lambda}$
 
ozkan12 said:
$X\subseteq R$
Then why do you write, "Let $d$ be a metric on $X$" and never use $d$ afterwards?

I believe both $X_w$ and $X_w^*$ are equal to $X$. For $X_w^*$ and $x\in X$, take $\lambda=1$; then $d_\lambda(x,x_0)=|x-x_0|<\infty$, so $x\in X_w^*$.
 
No paper '''arXiv:1112.5561v1.pdf...''' this link, there is something related to modular metric space...And in page 6 you will see definition 2.2...Please can you explain that how happened ${X}_{w}\subset {X^*}_{w}$ ? Thank you for your attention...Best wishes...
 

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