How effective is nuclear propulsion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effectiveness of nuclear propulsion, particularly nuclear thermal propulsion (NTP), and its potential applications in space travel. Participants explore theoretical aspects, comparisons with chemical propulsion, and the current state of technology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the effectiveness of nuclear thermal propulsion specifically.
  • Another participant shares a link to resources on nuclear thermal propulsion, suggesting further reading.
  • There are questions regarding the speed capabilities of a space shuttle if it did not need to escape Earth's gravity, with a focus on the propulsion systems involved.
  • A participant explains the existing propulsion systems of the space shuttle, detailing the roles of the main engines and solid rocket boosters, while also discussing the implications of using nuclear thermal propulsion.
  • It is noted that nuclear thermal propulsion could theoretically provide a specific impulse about twice that of hydrogen-oxygen chemical propulsion, but practical effectiveness remains uncertain due to the lack of in situ deployments.
  • Another participant references a theoretical propulsion system that could achieve an exhaust velocity of 4,725,000 m/s, suggesting a significant delta V, but acknowledges it may be purely speculative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of nuclear thermal propulsion, with no consensus on its practical application or performance compared to existing systems.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current knowledge, particularly the absence of in situ testing for nuclear thermal propulsion systems, which affects the ability to evaluate their effectiveness accurately.

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How effective is it
Hi
I was just wondering about the effectiveness of nuclear propulsion, specifically nuclear thermal propulsion.
 
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Hi I was wondering how fast a space shuttle could go, if it didn't have to first escape the earths gravity. As in if it had the rockets attached to it.
 
Josiah said:
Hi I was wondering how fast a space shuttle could go, if it didn't have to first escape the earths gravity. As in if it had the rockets attached to it.
The space shuttle does have rockets attached to it! It has three main engines (SSME). The large fuel tank contains the liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen that is pumped through piping between the large tanks and Space Shuttle. The booster rockets (SRBs) provide the propulsion for the large tank. The SRBs then separate when the shuttle gets high enough to atmospheric drag reduces to the point that the tank can travel with the shuttle without being torn away.

Nuclear thermal propulsion alleviates the need for the chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen; the hydrogen is simply passed through the reactor core and thermal energy is conducted from the reactor fuel elements into the hydrogen. Even with only hydrogen, a Space Shuttle would still require a tank (vessel) to hold the hydrogen, whether external or internal.

The space shuttle is design to return to earth much like an aircraft, and thus serves in low earth orbit. For venturing further out from LEO, one would require a different configuration, much like Apollo system or the successor, Artemis.

https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/artemis/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program

So far, only ground tests of NTR systems have been tested (NERVA). There have been no in situ deployments of NTRs, so it is not clear how effective such a system would be. Theoretically, the specific impulse of a nuclear thermal system is about twice that of a hydrogen-oxygen chemical propulsion.
 
My personal favorite:

https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist2.php#nswr

That would result in an exhaust velocity of a whopping 4,725,000 m/s (about 1.575% c, a specific impulse of 482,140 seconds). In a ship with a mass ratio of 10, it would have a delta V of 3.63% c. Now you're talkin...

Although it might be pure scifi.
 

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