How exactly does squaring operators (e.g. <p^2> work?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of squaring operators in quantum mechanics, specifically the momentum operator

. Participants explore the implications of squaring operators in the context of expectation values and the mathematical formalism involved.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how the square of the momentum operator

    translates into the expectation value, noting that squaring an operator is not as straightforward as squaring its components.

  • Another participant suggests that an operator squared, denoted as A^2, must operate in a space and implies a product of the operator acting on itself.
  • A different participant indicates a lack of understanding regarding the concept of spaces and the notation A(op), questioning its meaning and relevance.
  • One participant clarifies the operation of the momentum operator by explaining that applying p twice to a wave function involves sequential application, resulting in a new function.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the squaring of operators, with some confusion about the underlying mathematical framework. There is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts discussed, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding the interpretation of operator squaring.

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This discussion may be useful for students in quantum mechanics who are grappling with the mathematical formalism of operators and expectation values, particularly those lacking foundational knowledge in operator theory.

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I'm having to essentially piece together a framework of background knowledge to understand parts of a QM class in which I'm lacking prerequisites; one of the things that I noticed that really confused me was the square of the momentum operator <p>, and how that translated into the integrand of an expectation value; Squaring an operator as far as I'm as aware isn't as simple as just squaring its components, because, for the momentum operator defined as [tex]\langle p^2 \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi^*(x)p^2\psi(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi^*(x)\bigg(-\hbar^2 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi(x)\bigg)[/tex]
The differential part of the operator changed, too! This isn't just squaring, what is it? [tex]\frac{d}{dx}\frac{d}{dx} \neq \frac{d^2}{dx^2}[/tex] If I'm given some arbitrary operator A and told to calculate [tex]\langle A^2\rangle[/tex] How do I know what the operator "squared" takes the form of?
 
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The differential part of the operator changed, too! This isn't just squaring, what is it?

operators are supposed to operate in a space - so a A^2 must be equivalent to A(op). A(op) , a product say operating on the right...
 
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I don't understand what that meant; I don't have any working knowledge of spaces, regardless of what they are.
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a product say operating on the right...
I also have no idea of what A(op) is supposed to indicate. A is the operator, and I'm only guessing "op" is shorthand for "operator", so unless A(op) is a really unnecessarily roundabout way of saying (A)(A) or something, I don't get it.
 
Alright then, thanks for the help(?).
 
##p^2\psi=pp\psi=p(p\psi)##, that is, you apply ##p## to ##\psi## to get a new function ##\psi_1##, then you apply ##p## to ##\psi_1##.

Likewise for any other operator.
 
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Thank you very much!
 

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