How fast do particles need to travel to collide?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy requirements for particle collisions, particularly in the context of high-energy physics experiments like those conducted at the LHC and RHIC. Participants explore the implications of varying energy levels on collision outcomes, including the types of interactions that may occur at different energy thresholds.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the minimum energy required for particles to collide and speculates on the outcomes of collisions at lower energy levels.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no minimal required energy for a collision, but emphasizes that significant energy is necessary for producing interesting phenomena, such as new heavy particles.
  • It is noted that at lower energies, the types of particles involved become crucial, with examples provided of elastic collisions and annihilation events between different particle types.
  • Participants discuss how increasing energy levels can lead to the production of heavier particles and more complex interactions.
  • A later reply mentions a historical context, indicating that lower energy collisions have been studied in the past and have contributed to current understanding.
  • One participant briefly mentions a specific example of electron collisions with phosphor, relating it to television technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of a minimum energy requirement for collisions, with some arguing that no such minimum exists while others focus on the necessity of high energy for interesting outcomes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of lower energy collisions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the outcomes of particle collisions depend significantly on the types of particles involved and their energy levels, indicating that assumptions about energy thresholds and particle interactions may vary based on context.

Kaktus
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I'm wondering, I always hear how particles in the LHC collide with huge energies, and I'm wondering: how much energy is needed for particles to collide? I mean, if the energies in the LHC are huge and the ones in the RHIC are less huge you have to be able to do it with even less energy, right? So what would happen if particles collided with the minimum necesarry amount of energy? And what if they'd be sent through the tube with less energy than what's required for them to collide? Would they simply go past each other? Or even if they collided, would they just simply stay whole instead of break into smaller particles? Just what would happen if you lowered the energy on particle collisions?
 
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There is no minimal required energy for a collision process, but if you want to have something interesting happening (like the production of new heavy particles) you need a lot of energy.

Kaktus said:
Just what would happen if you lowered the energy on particle collisions?
That has been done decades ago when the accelerators were less powerful, and the results are still useful to understand the collisions now.

The particle types become more important at lower energy:
If you shoot a low-energetic electron on a low-energetic electron, they will repel each other a bit and change their flight direction ("elastic collision"), but nothing interesting happens. If you shoot a low-energetic positron on a low-energetic electron (or simply solid matter as this contains electrons), they can still make an elastic collision, but they can also annihilate each other and produce two or more photons.
Similarly, two low-energetic protons will repel each other and nothing interesting happens, but a proton and an antiproton can annihilate and produce a few new particles (pions).

If you increase the energy, you can produce more and more heavy particles, and get more interesting physics processes.
 
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mfb said:
There is no minimal required energy for a collision process, but if you want to have something interesting happening (like the production of new heavy particles) you need a lot of energy.

That has been done decades ago when the accelerators were less powerful, and the results are still useful to understand the collisions now.

The particle types become more important at lower energy:
If you shoot a low-energetic electron on a low-energetic electron, they will repel each other a bit and change their flight direction ("elastic collision"), but nothing interesting happens. If you shoot a low-energetic positron on a low-energetic electron (or simply solid matter as this contains electrons), they can still make an elastic collision, but they can also annihilate each other and produce two or more photons.
Similarly, two low-energetic protons will repel each other and nothing interesting happens, but a proton and an antiproton can annihilate and produce a few new particles (pions).

If you increase the energy, you can produce more and more heavy particles, and get more interesting physics processes.

Thanks so much! Answered all of my questions perfectly.
 
Colliding an electron with a phosphor is the basis for a 20th century TV.
 

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