How Fast Do Point Charges Move After Being Released?

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The problem involves two positive point charges, each with associated masses, that are initially at rest and held together by a massless string. Upon cutting the string, the charges move apart, and the question seeks to determine their speeds when they are far apart, considering both electric and gravitational potential energies.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to combine electric and gravitational potential energies to derive equations for the kinetic energies of the charges after they are released. They also consider conservation of momentum in their reasoning. Questions are raised about the simultaneous movement of the charges and the implications for changing fields.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's method and answer, suggesting that dimensional consistency and boundary cases are valid checks. Others introduce the idea of symmetry preservation as an additional method for verification. The discussion reflects a collaborative exploration of the problem without reaching a definitive consensus.

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The original poster expresses a desire to develop self-checking methods for their answers, indicating a focus on improving their independent problem-solving skills.

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Homework Statement


Two positive point charges, ##q_A## and ##q_B## (masses ##m_A## and ##m_B##) are at rest, held together by a massless string of length ##a##. Now the string is cut, and the particles fly off in opposite directions. How fast is each one going, when they are far apart? [from 4th edition of Introduction to electrodynamics by Griffiths]

Homework Equations


General definition of work done from point ##a## to point ##b##: W = \int_a^b \vec{F}\cdot \vec{dl}
Electric potential energy stored in a system: W = QV where ##V## is the potential of the system.
Electric potential due to a positive point charge ##q##: V = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{q}{r} where ##r## is the distance to the charge.
Gravitational potential energy due to a point mass ##m##: U = -\frac{Gm_1m_2}{r} where ##G## is the gravitational constant and the sign difference due to the electric force of a positive charge being repulsive while the gravitational force always attractive.

The Attempt at a Solution


My idea is to first add the two potential energies of the system (electric and gravitational) using as reference point ##\infty## which will give the total potential energy stored in the system while it's still at rest. Then when they are "far apart" (as I understand it: at infinity), all of the aforementioned potential energy will be converted to the kinetic energy of the two charges/masses, giving me the first equation. For the second equation I used the conservation of momentum of the system consisting of the two charges/masses and the fact that the initial momentum was zero. Thus I get two equations in two unknowns:
\begin{cases}<br /> (1) \frac{1}{a}\left(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}q_Aq_B - Gm_Am_B\right) = \frac{1}{2}\left(m_Av_A^2 + m_Bv_B^2\right)\\(2) m_Av_A = m_Bv_B<br /> \end{cases}
Solving (1) and (2) for ##v_A## and ##v_B## I get:
v_A=\sqrt{\frac{m_B}{m_A(m_A+m_B)}\frac{2}{a}\left(\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}q_Aq_B - Gm_Am_B\right)}
v_B=\sqrt{\frac{m_A}{m_B(m_A+m_B)}\frac{2}{a}\left(\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}q_Aq_B - Gm_Am_B\right)}

Are my reasoning and answer correct? In particular, have I accounted for the fact that both charges move simultaneously and with different speeds, resulting in awkwardly changing electric and gravitational fields as they fly apart?

Any feedback will be highly appreciated!

EDIT: I am also interested in a systematic way of checking my answers by my self. I am too used to using answers sheet and I want to get rid of this habit of mine. Any suggestions on this matter?
 
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Your method and answer look right.
I sanity-check dimensional consistency and boundary cases. E.g., mA = mB, mA almost zero, ...
 
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haruspex said:
Your method and answer look right.
I sanity-check dimensional consistency and boundary cases. E.g., mA = mB, mA almost zero, ...
Thanks for the answer! Any other suggestions?
 
ELB27 said:
Thanks for the answer! Any other suggestions?

Symmetry preservation is another test.
 
haruspex said:
Symmetry preservation is another test.
OK, thank you very much, I'll keep these methods in mind!
 

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