How Has the Calculation of Solar System Body SGPs Evolved Over Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the historical evolution of calculating the standard gravity parameters (SGPs) of solar system bodies, exploring the methodologies and key experiments that contributed to these calculations. It encompasses theoretical insights, historical references, and the implications of gravitational measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Historical
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about references on the history of calculating SGPs, suggesting that early estimates for Jupiter's SGP could stem from Newtonian theory and Galilean observations.
  • Another participant posits that the gravitational constant was likely determined first, which then allowed for the calculation of the mass of celestial bodies, leading to the derivation of SGPs. They reference the Schiehallion experiment of 1774 as a significant early measurement.
  • A historical reference is made to George Biddell Airy's 1833 article, which discusses the mass of Jupiter based on observations of its fourth satellite, noting the discrepancies in earlier measurements.
  • One participant emphasizes that the product of gravitational constant (G) and mass (M) is better known than either value separately, highlighting the challenges in measuring G accurately compared to the precision of orbital measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the historical methods and measurements related to SGPs, indicating that there is no consensus on the exact timeline or methodologies used in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on historical definitions of gravitational parameters and the varying accuracy of early measurements, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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history of standard gravity parameter measurements
does anyone have a good reference on the history of calculating the standard gravity parameters of solar system bodies? My guess is a rough estimate of Jupiter's SGP can be gained from observing the motion of its moons, in which case the first estimates could have been made soon after Newtonian theory had made SGPs pertinent to astronomy. Or maybe the estimates were already there in an rearrangement in the numbers gained from Galilean observations around 1610.

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It's likely that scientists first determined the gravitational constant and then used that to determine the mass of the Sun, Moon, and planets. From those two values you can get the SGP by multiplying them together. As far as I am aware, the first semi-accurate measurement to determine the gravitational constant (actually the density of the Earth, from which you can get the constant) was the Schiehallion experiment of 1774. This found the density of the Earth to be about 4500 kg/m3, about 20% off from the modern value of 5515 kg/m3.

Jupiter's mass was calculated at various times afterward. Here is George Biddell Airy's article from 1833 in the Memoirs of the Royal Astronomical Society, Vol. 6, p.83 in which he determines the mass of Jupiter by observing the orbit of its 4th satellite. He seems somewhat aghast that various measurements had differed widely up to that point and that no one had lately tried to reconcile them properly. I'm not actually certain what value he obtained, as he states it in a way I've never seen before. Something about a logarithm of the mass.
 
GM is known far better for the planets than G or M. (Indeed, M is essentially unknown directly - it's actually (GM)/G )
 
Vanadium 50 said:
GM is known far better for the planets than G or M. (Indeed, M is essentially unknown directly - it's actually (GM)/G )
Ah I wasn't aware of this. A little more reading of the wiki article gives me this:
Thus only the product of G and M is needed to predict the motion of the smaller body. Conversely, measurements of the smaller body's orbit only provide information on the product, μ, not G and M separately. The gravitational constant, G, is difficult to measure with high accuracy,[12] while orbits, at least in the solar system, can be measured with great precision and used to determine μ with similar precision.

Very interesting.
 

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