How High is the Cliff if a Rock Takes 3.4 Seconds to Hit the Ground?

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The problem involves determining the height of a cliff from which a rock falls, given that it takes 3.4 seconds for the sound of the impact to reach the observer. The context includes the physics of free fall and sound propagation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to identify the unknowns in the problem, expressing uncertainty about how to begin. Some participants suggest breaking down the total time into the time of the rock's fall and the time for sound to travel back. Others propose using position equations to relate height and time.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the relationship between the fall time and sound travel time, with some guidance provided on how to structure the equations. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the definitions of variables and their implications in the equations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of initial conditions, such as the initial velocity being zero, and the assumption regarding the speed of sound. The total time of 3.4 seconds is a key constraint in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A rock falls of the cliff, 3.4 seconds later, you can hear the rock hitting the ground. Assuming the speed of sound is 340 m/s, how high is the cliff?


Homework Equations


Delta X = volt + 0.5at^2
2a Delta X = V^2 - Vo^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know how to start. The height of the cliff is unknown and the time it took the rock to hit the ground is unknown. Initial velocity is zero and that's all I can say. I don't know where to start. Perhaps I am missing something.
 
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The first thing you need to do is quantify your total time 't' as the sum of the time it takes for the rock to fall 'tf' plus the time it takes for the sound to travel back 'ts' or t=tf+ts. Then you need to use your position equation h(t) where h(tf)=...
 
kjohnson said:
The first thing you need to do is quantify your total time 't' as the sum of the time it takes for the rock to fall 'tf' plus the time it takes for the sound to travel back 'ts' or t=tf+ts. Then you need to use your position equation h(t) where h(tf)=...

Ok so tf + ts = 3.4 s

Position equation of the tf would be \Deltay = Vo tf + 1/2 atf^2

Position equation of ts would be \Deltay = v ts (where v = 340 m/s)

Correct?
 
Yes, that is pretty much correct. The only thing is your delta y is really height as a function of time or y(t)=vo*t+1/2a*t^2 so when you sub in your total fall time 'tf' you are implying that your height is zero. To get the 'tf' term to sub into that function use the relation t=tf +ts or tf=t-ts. Now you just need your relation of the height of the cliff and the velocity of sound to sub in for 'ts'.
 

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