Solving Symbolically: Height of Cliff with No Air Resistance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height of a cliff using the time it takes for a rock to fall and the sound to travel back up, ignoring air resistance. The relevant equations include \( h = \frac{1}{2} g t_{\text{rock}}^2 \) for the rock's fall and \( h = t_{\text{sound}} \cdot v_s \) for the sound's travel. The relationship \( T = t_{\text{sound}} + t_{\text{rock}} \) is crucial for solving the problem. The solution involves squaring both sides of the derived equation and solving the resulting quadratic equation for height.

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Homework Statement


You are climbing in the High Sierra when you suddenly find yourself at the edge of a fogshrouded
cliff. To find the height of this cliff, you drop a rock from the top; a time T later you
hear the sound of the rock hitting the ground at the foot of the cliff.

a. If you ignore air resistance, how high is the cliff if the speed of sound is vs?

Homework Equations


s = v * t
s =1/2*a*t2

The Attempt at a Solution



h = 1/2*g*trock2 (rock)
h = tsound *vs (sound)
T = tsound + trock
-> tsound = T - trock
h = (T - trock)*vs
h = 1/2*g*trock2
-> trock = root(2*h/g)​
h = (T - root(2*h/g))*vs

after this I am lost in separating the h, so I am assuming that I did something wrong. Where did I go wrong?
 
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SavannahN said:
after this I am lost in separating the h, so I am assuming that I did something wrong. Where did I go wrong?
Your expression is correct. To find the height, just square both sides and solve the quadratic. Be sure you pick the right solution of the two as your answer.
 
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