How important is our number system for science?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the significance of different number systems in mathematics and science. Participants explore whether the efficiency of the Hindu numeral system is crucial for scientific progress and if alternative systems could yield the same results.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if the success of modern science is dependent on the efficiency of Hindu numerals, suggesting that alternative ancient number systems might yield similar results.
  • Others argue that the representation of numbers does not fundamentally affect mathematics, as any unambiguous system can be used effectively.
  • A participant highlights the practical difficulties of using less efficient systems, such as Roman numerals, for complex calculations.
  • It is noted that advanced mathematics does not rely on the specific number system used, although a foundation in arithmetic is essential for learning higher-level concepts.
  • Some contributions emphasize that the current decimal system is more efficient than historical systems, which lacked concepts like negative numbers and fractions, thus facilitating easier calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of number base choices on memorization and calculation complexity, with examples comparing binary, decimal, and base 60 systems.
  • One participant mentions the evolution of mathematical notation, suggesting that cleaner and more flexible notations enhance mathematical practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of number systems to mathematics and science. While some assert that the specific representation is inconsequential, others emphasize the practical advantages of the current system. No consensus is reached regarding the necessity of the Hindu numeral system for scientific advancement.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion is influenced by historical context and the evolution of mathematical notation, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on current practices.

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I know that our laws are as far as the logic goes Universal? Now, can we use other ancient number systems and come up with the same results, or is the success of all the recent science dependent on the efficiency of Hindu Numerals ? Is the logic of all mathematics based on Hindu numerals , and might we have a new number system in the future that is more efficient ?
 
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How we write numbers has no deeper relevance for mathematics. It would be the same if we would use Greek letters, Hindu numerals, or anything else. Using something like the decimal system is convenient because you can write down any (rational) number with a fixed number of symbols (here: 10) but any system that has an unambiguous way to do so works.
 
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Mathematically, it doesn't matter. Practically, try and multiply MMMDCCCLXXXVII and MMMMCDLXXIII in Roman numerals. See you tomorrow.
 
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Any math that is beyond arithmetic does not care about the number system representation used. That being said, it is hard to imagine a person learning advanced mathematics if he can not do arithmetic. But it could also be said that science depended on the invention of the pencil and paper.
 
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The number system notation we use today is a much cleaner scheme than what was used in the past. Some early number systems had no notion of negative numbers, zero or fractions. Our decimal based system combines these ideas together into a concise operational system that allows us to do math with less effort. Imagine trying to do what we do now with Roman numerals or Egyptian fractional math.

The number base chosen determines how much one has to memorize for addition or multiplication. If you consider binary numbers the tables (2x2) are quite small versus base 10 (10x10)or consider base 60 (60x60) and how big the tables would be. I suppose we could have used base 12 as it has more factors (2,3,4,6) than 10 (2,5) but convention chose the decimal system.

This process repeats itself in abstract math notation as well where Newton’s Calculus notation was superseded by Liebnitz notation which is arguably cleaner and more flexible. Math notation is a tool that make it easier to do the math and that desire drives us to discard some notation and choose others.
 
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FactChecker said:
Any math that is beyond arithmetic does not care about the number system representation used.
Yes. With a little exaggeration one could say: we only use ##\pm 2, \pm 1 , 0## anyway.
 
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