How is coating with an oxide oxidation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of oxidation, specifically addressing the definition of oxidization as it relates to coating with an oxide. Participants explore the implications of this definition in the context of materials like iron and aluminum, and whether coating with an oxide constitutes oxidation itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that oxidization can refer to making a substance into an oxide, as seen in the rusting of iron, and questions how coating with an oxide fits into this definition.
  • Another participant explains that when iron oxidizes, the oxidation layer grows and can consume the object, contrasting this with aluminum oxide, which forms a dense layer that prevents further oxidation.
  • Some participants assert that coating with an oxide is not the same as oxidation itself, suggesting that oxidation involves a change in oxidation state rather than merely applying an oxide layer.
  • Definitions from dictionaries are cited, indicating that "to coat with an oxide" is a recognized meaning of oxidize, though there is contention over the interpretation of this definition.
  • There is a suggestion that the oxide layer may facilitate further oxidation by allowing oxygen to reach the underlying material, but this remains speculative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether coating with an oxide should be considered oxidation. Some agree on the definitions provided by dictionaries, while others challenge the interpretation and implications of these definitions. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the nature of oxidation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions being discussed, particularly regarding the nuances of what constitutes oxidation versus merely coating with an oxide. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the context of oxidation processes in different materials.

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I looked up the word oxidize and one of the definitions is to make it an oxide which is what happens when iron gets rusty(even though there is also iron hydroxide in rust).

Another was to coat with an oxide. Now how is coating with an oxide oxidation?

Does it catalyze the oxidation by making it easier for oxygen to get to whatever is being oxidized without the oxide being reduced and if so is the speed of the reaction the same or faster?

Does the oxygen from the oxide go to what is being oxidized so that more oxygen can come in and oxidize it faster with the oxide getting reduced?

Does the oxide and whatever is being oxidized form an oxidized complex?

examples:

Iron oxide coating on copper

Aluminum oxide coating on Iron
 
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when iron oxidizes, the oxidation layer keeps growing, completely consuming the object during the oxidation process. Iron rust is very porous, so oxygen can pass through the rust to reach the un-oxidized iron. Aluminium oxide for example is much more dense and very stable at room temperatures. It forms an impenetrable oxide layer and the aluminium will not oxidize further because oxygen cannot pass through the protective oxide layer. In principle you can protect iron by coating it with a thin layer of aluminium oxide.
 
yes but I looked up what oxidize means and one of the definitions is to coat with an oxide.
 
caters said:
yes but I looked up what oxidize means and one of the definitions is to coat with an oxide.

Where have you seen this definition? I think you may be misreading your source. Coating with the oxide can be an effect of the oxidation, but it is not an oxidation itself. Oxidation is a process in which oxidation number of an element goes up. For example, metallic Al gets oxidized to Al(III) by the air oxygen and - in the process - gets covered with the oxide.
 
Dictionaries like Dictionary.com say that there are 2 definition for oxidize besides loosing electrons. The first definition they have is the formation of an oxide and the second definition of it in the dictionaries is to coat with an oxide.
 
caters said:
Dictionaries like Dictionary.com say that there are 2 definition for oxidize besides loosing electrons. The first definition they have is the formation of an oxide and the second definition of it in the dictionaries is to coat with an oxide.

It is not intended to mean "cover with an oxide added as a separate substance to the surface" but "cover with an oxide produced during oxidation of the metal below".
 

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