How Is Efficiency Calculated for a Carnot Engine with Given Cycle Parameters?

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The problem involves calculating the efficiency of a Carnot engine operating between two temperature extremes, based on a rectangular cycle represented on a PV diagram. The original poster describes the parameters of an ideal monatomic gas and provides specific pressure and volume values for the cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the ideal gas law to relate pressure, volume, and temperature, questioning how to derive temperature ratios from the given cycle parameters. There is uncertainty about how to connect the efficiency formula to the calculated quantities without explicit temperature values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the ideal gas law to find temperature ratios, while others have expressed uncertainty about the approach due to the presence of multiple unknowns. A participant successfully derives the temperature ratio and calculates the efficiency, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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The discussion reflects constraints related to the lack of explicit temperature values and the need to derive them from the given pressure and volume ratios. Participants are navigating these limitations while exploring the problem.

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The problem:
An engine puts an ideal monatomic gas through a clockwise rectangular cycle on a PV diagram with horizontal and vertical sides. The lower left point has a pressure of 1 atm and a volume of 1m^3 and the upper right point has pressure and volume three times greater. Calculate the efficiency of a Carnot engine operating between the highest and lowest temperatures.

Solution (so far):
I know that for a Carnot engine e=1-T_c/T_h, but without being given the temperature differences I'm not exactly sure how you'd begin. I calculated the efficiency of the engine itself to be 22.2%, the work done in the cycle to be 4.04x10^7 J, and the heat absorbed in the cycle to be 434 kcal; if any of those quantities can be related to T_c/T_h. The answer comes to be 88.9%. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Try using the ideal gas law. Since you are given the ratios of pressures and volumes, you should be able to calculate the ratio of temperatures.
 
phyzguy said:
Try using the ideal gas law. Since you are given the ratios of pressures and volumes, you should be able to calculate the ratio of temperatures.

Since there are 2 unknowns, namely the temperature difference and the number of moles, I don't see an obvious way that I could use the ideal gas equation to solve this problem.
 
I promise you it will work. Can you write the ideal gas equation at Tc and Th?
 
Oh nevermind,

(P_3*V_3)/(P_1*V_1)=T_3/T_1
(3*P*3*V)/(PV)=T_3/T_1
9=T_3/T_1=T_h/T_c

Therefore,

T_c/T_h=1/9

So,

e=1-1/9=8/9=88.9%

Thanks! Sorry, for posting such an obvious question; just a little low on sleep.
 
You got it. Glad to help.
 

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