How is \(\phi - \varphi = \sqrt{5}\) derived in the context of the Golden Ratio?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equation \(\phi - \varphi = \sqrt{5}\) in the context of the Golden Ratio, where \(\phi\) and \(\varphi\) are defined as \(\phi = \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\) and \(\varphi = \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\). Participants are exploring the mathematical manipulation involved in this expression.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate \(\phi - \varphi\) and are questioning how the terms simplify. Some are confused about why certain terms cancel out and how the manipulation leads to the result of \(\sqrt{5}\).

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical steps involved in simplifying the expression. Some participants are providing guidance on how to manipulate the fractions, while others are expressing confusion about specific aspects of the cancellation process.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can reference or the methods they can use. There is a focus on using exact forms of \(\phi\) and \(\varphi\) as stipulated in the problem.

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Im working on a part off my course and it covers this, but its not clear.

[tex]\phi[/tex]= half (1+[tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex])

[tex]\varphi[/tex]=half (1-[tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex])The question asks [tex]\phi[/tex]-[tex]\varphi[/tex] =[tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex]

It is written in my book, the answer but it does not explain how the maths cancels and manipilates.

Could you show me a way that the answer is derived.
 
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What do you get if you try and calculate [itex]\phi-\varphi[/itex] ?
 
the question also say's use the exact forms of each form off the golden ratio to verify the following propertys of[tex]\phi[/tex] and [tex]\varphi[/tex]
 
half (1+[tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex]) -half(1-[tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex])

= half [tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex]+half [tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex]= [tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex]

Is the answer i have in my book but I am lost to how and why its that way.
 
Which part confuses you? The fact that the 1/2 - 1/2 = 0 or the fact that 1/2*sqrt(5) + 1/2*sqrt(5) = sqrt(5)?
 
its the part that makes the 1/2 -1/2 =0 why is the 1+sqrt(5) and the 1-sqrt (5) taken out off the equation what dicided this.
 
half(1+sqrt(5))=(1+sqrt(5))/2=1/2+sqrt(5)/2.
half(1-sqrt(5))=(1-sqrt(5))/2=1/2-sqrt(5)/2. Subtract them.
 
Or would it help to write it as
[tex]\frac{1+ \sqrt{5}}{2}= \frac{1}{2}+ \frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]
 
so the 2's cancels out but does that not leave it as it was.
 
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[tex]\phi = \frac{1+ \sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]

[tex]\varphi = \frac{1- \sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]

Therefore, [tex]\phi - \varphi = \frac{1+ \sqrt{5}}{2} - \frac{1- \sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]

If you cannot understand how to simplify this to get your answer of [tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex] then maybe manipulating the fractions in the same way hallsofivy has done will help you out.

[tex]\frac{1+ \sqrt{5}}{2} - \frac{1- \sqrt{5}}{2} = \frac{1}{2}+ \frac{\sqrt{5}}{2} - (\frac{1}{2} - \frac{\sqrt{5}}{2})[/tex]
 
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morbello said:
so the 2's cancels out but does that not leave it as it was.

I wouldn't use the word "cancel": for any number a,
[tex]\frac{a}{2}+ \frac{a}{2}= a(\frac{1}{2}+ \frac{1}{2})= a(\frac{2}{2}= a(1)= a[/itex] <br /> It's just a matter of "one plus one equals 2"![/tex]
 

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