How is sine of 90 degree possible

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the sine of 90 degrees, exploring the definitions and implications of trigonometric functions, particularly in relation to triangles and the unit circle. Participants examine the validity of sine in the context of triangle geometry and extend the conversation to other trigonometric functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the formation of a triangle with two angles of 90 degrees and question how sine of 90 degrees can equal 1 if such a triangle cannot exist.
  • One participant introduces the unit circle as a more general definition of sine and cosine, explaining how angles can be represented without relying solely on triangles.
  • Another participant emphasizes that sine and cosine can be derived from the coordinates of points on the unit circle, suggesting this method avoids quadrant memorization.
  • There is a query about the definitions of other trigonometric functions such as tangent, cotangent, secant, and cosecant, leading to discussions on how these can be derived from sine and cosine.
  • A participant describes a method to visualize tangent using the unit circle, proposing a geometric construction to illustrate the relationship between tangent and sine/cosine.
  • Another participant shifts the topic to a combinatorial expression involving factorials, seeking clarification on its validity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding sine and triangle formation, and there are multiple perspectives on the definitions and relationships of trigonometric functions. The discussion on the combinatorial expression introduces a separate topic that remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' understanding of trigonometric functions relies on specific geometric interpretations, which may not encompass all definitions or contexts. The transition to the combinatorial topic introduces additional complexity that is not directly related to the initial discussion on sine.

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I don't know how can a triangle be formed with two angles each 90 degree. If it is not possible, then how do we calculate sin 90 degree = 1 ?
 
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physics kiddy said:
I don't know how can a triangle be formed with two angles each 90 degree. If it is not possible, then how do we calculate sin 90 degree = 1 ?

There's a more general definition of sin and cosine.

Consider the unit circle, and imagine a ray emanating from the origin making an angle of \theta with the positive x-axis. You can see right away that this is perfectly well defined for all angles.

Now the ray intersects the unit circle at a point (x,y). We call the x-coordinate cos \ \theta, and we call the y-coordinate sin \ \theta.

You can (and should) convince yourself that this definition corresponds to the usual triangle-based definitions from trig; and that sin is now perfectly well defined for 90 degrees.

One nice feature of this way of defining the trig functions is that you don't have to memorize anything about quadrants. You just read off the x-y coordinates for any angle, regardless of quadrant.
 
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My favorite presentation of the above facts.
 
But, this circle shows sin and cos only. What about tan, cot, sec, cosec ?
 
Those can all be defined in terms of sin and cos, for example tan(x)=sin(x)/cos(x)
 
physics kiddy said:
But, this circle shows sin and cos only. What about tan, cot, sec, cosec ?
You can readily extend that diagram to find length segments that equal those other trig values.
For example, draw a vertical line tangent to the circle at the intersection point with the horizontal axis.
Now, if you are to find tan(a), where "a" is some angle made to the horizontal axis and the hypotenuse, just extend that hypotenuse line until it intersects with the vertical line just drawn.
The length of the vertical line segment as defined between A) the tangent point with the circle and B) the intersection point with the hypotenuse line, equals tan(a).*
(The length of the hypotenuse line segment in this construction is sec(a), by the way)

This is actually WHY the trig function "tangent" is called "tangent" in the first place. :smile:
(In order to find the co-tangent, you proceed similarly by drawing a HORIZONTAL line that is tangent to the circle at the y-axis.)

* Try to figure out WHY this must be so, using your ideas about how the tangent to an angle is defined for a right-angled triangle!
 
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OK, trigonometry is clear. Please tell why is it so ?

n(n-1)(n-2) ... (n-r+1) = n!/(n-r)!

Thanks in advance...
 
physics kiddy said:
OK, trigonometry is clear. Please tell why is it so ?

n(n-1)(n-2) ... (n-r+1) = n!/(n-r)!

Thanks in advance...

\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}=\frac{n(n-1)(n-2)...(n-r+1)(n-r)(n-r-1)...3.2.1}{(n-r)(n-r-1)...3.2.1}

Is it now clear why that equality holds?
 

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