How Is the Force Calculated for Two Masses on a 30 Degree Incline?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to pull two masses up a 30-degree incline, considering the effects of friction and the constant velocity of the system. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically forces acting on objects on an incline.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the masses using a free body diagram and questions whether to include both masses in the calculations. Some participants discuss the relevance of velocity in the context of kinetic friction, while others suggest equations for the forces involved.

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Participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the application of friction and the forces acting on the masses. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations to use, but there is still uncertainty about the role of velocity and the correct interpretation of the forces.

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There is a mention of a coefficient of kinetic friction and the need to consider both masses in the calculations. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on how to approach the problem fully, particularly regarding the inclusion of velocity and its implications.

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Two masses are being pulled up a 30 degree incline by a force F parallel to the incline. The velocity is constant and up the incline. The force is applied to a 200 kg mass and a string connects the 200 kg mass to a 150 kg mass. The coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.2. The force F = ?

So I drew a free body diagram, and it has F parallel to the inclined plane (Fx) and the normal force = Fy. There is mg, which is pointed directly down. The friction is pointed in the -Fx direction. I know F=uFn, I also know that Fx = mgcos(theta) and Fy = mgsin(theta). Do I include the 2nd mass in my calculations? I'm assuming I do, in which case the mass is 350 kg. If the velocity is constant, acceleration = 0. Do I need to find the velocity to solve this problem?
 
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I don't think you need to know the velocity. It is just there to justify using the kinetic friction coefficient for both masses.
 
That's what I thought, but I have no idea how to do this problem. I used the Fx equation I listed above but it doesn't include the friction coefficient.
 
draw a *FBD*

[tex]F_{y}=mg\times cos \phi[/tex]

[tex]F_{x}=F_{A}-mg\times sin \phi + F_{f}[/tex]

and [tex]F_{f}=\mu \times F_{N} = \mu \times mg\times cos \phi[/tex]

therefore

[tex]F_{A}=mgsin\phi + \mu \times mg\times cos \phi[/tex]
 
Thanks, Bright Wang. That helped a lot. The Fa you used in that equation, is that the parallel force?
 
applied force
 

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