How is the S^3 metric defined by a unit vector and coordinate changes?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the S^3 metric using a unit vector and the implications of coordinate changes within a framework that appears to be related to the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (FRW) metric. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the metric, its dependence on time, and the interpretation of the metric's components.

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  • One participant presents the FRW metric in specific coordinates and defines a unit vector n in four-dimensional space, suggesting that the metric is derived from the changes in this vector.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the mathematical expressions and suggests that the interpretation of the metric's components may need further refinement.
  • A participant proposes a time evolution of the metric and explores how the Hubble parameter relates to the spatial components of the metric, suggesting a connection between time translation and the metric's scaling.
  • Concerns are raised about the consistency of the metric definitions provided, particularly regarding the multiple expressions for g_{00} and the indexing of the Latin indices.
  • Clarification is sought on the range of indices used in the metric, with one participant specifying that Latin indices correspond to spatial dimensions only.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the metric and its components, with some seeking clarification on the definitions and others proposing alternative interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the consistency of the metric definitions and the implications of the Hubble parameter.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the metric definitions provided, particularly concerning the multiple expressions for g_{00} and the indexing of the indices. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the implications of the time evolution of the metric.

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We have the (I think FRW) metric in the coordinates
y^{0}=t,~~y^{1}=\psi,~~y^{2}=\theta,~~y^{3}=\varphi

g_{00}=1,~~g_{00}= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} ,~~ g_{00}= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} \sin^{2}\psi ,~~g_{00}= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} \sin^{2}\psi sin^{2}\theta

Suppose we have define a unit vector n \in \mathbb{R}^{4} such that:

n= ( \cos\psi , \sin\psi \sin\theta\cos\varphi, \sin\psi \sin\theta \sin\varphi, \sin\psi \cos\theta )

So far I was able to show that (by doing the derivative calculations- is there any faster way one can work?)

g_{ij} = - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} \sum_{A=1}^{4} \frac{\partial n^{A}}{∂y^{i}}\frac{\partial n^{A}}{\partial y^{j}}

So I would like to interpret this result... I need some confirmation of how I interpreted it :)
Suppose you have the vector n. The metric is then by the equation above, defined by how the n vector changes \partial n along the change of the i-th coordinate ∂y^{i}. As I wrote it, by the module of the velocity of n wrt y^{i}. Also tried to do a grid diagram which I think is correct for S^{2} of coordinates (\theta,\varphi), just imagining the generalization of it with a 3rd coordinate ##\psi##.
Finally the metric is scaling by the flow of time (or y^{0}-coord) so it's more like, as time passes, we get different images of a 3-sphere, each having its "grid" rescaled by some factor.

Is that correct? Do you think I'm missing something important?
 
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n= ( cosψ , sinψ sinθ cosφ, sinψ sinθ sinφ, sinψ cosθ )

LaTeX hint: use \sin and \cos.
 
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Better now? Well the form of it doesn't make the big difference since my maths were correct and the interpretation has to do with the final equation, but thanks :) that way other people might understand it better.
 
Another question... I did it for my own fun... because I said about that thing with "images" of sphere, and I wanted to see how , by the flow of "time", the metric would change.

Suppose I have at time y^{0}=t that:

g_{ij}(t, y^{a})= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} |n_{,i} \cdot n_{,j}|

And I let time flow, to t' = t + \delta t

Then:

g_{ij}'=g_{ij}(t+\delta t, y^{a})= g_{ij}(t, y^{a}) + \delta t \frac{\partial g_{ij}(t, y^{a})}{\partial t}= g_{ij}(t, y^{a}) -\frac{2}{\alpha} \delta t f(t) \dot{f}(t) |n_{,i} \cdot n_{,j}| = g_{ij}(t, y^{a}) -\frac{2 \dot{f}(t)}{\alpha f(t)} \delta t f^{2}(t) |n_{,i} \cdot n_{,j}|

Inserting the Hubble's parameter H= \frac{\dot{f}}{f}

g_{ij}'=g_{ij}(t, y^{a}) + \delta t 2 H(t) g_{ij}(t, y^{a})

Or

g_{ij}(t+\delta t, y^{a})=(1+ 2H(t) \delta t) g_{ij}(t, y^{a})

Could I write with that:

\delta_{t} g_{ij} = 2 H(t) \delta t g_{ij}

Or equivalently:
g_{ij}(t', y^{a})= e^{2 H(t) (t'-t)} g_{ij} (t, y^{a})
?

Meaning that the Hubble's parameter is somewhat related to the generator of the translation of time for the spatial components of the metric?
However that's not true for the g_{00}=1 because it's constant.
 
ChrisVer said:
We have the (I think FRW) metric in the coordinates
y^{0}=t,~~y^{1}=\psi,~~y^{2}=\theta,~~y^{3}=\varphi

g_{00}=1,~~g_{00}= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} ,~~ g_{00}= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} \sin^{2}\psi ,~~g_{00}= - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} \sin^{2}\psi sin^{2}\theta

Suppose we have define a unit vector n \in \mathbb{R}^{4} such that:

n= ( \cos\psi , \sin\psi \sin\theta\cos\varphi, \sin\psi \sin\theta \sin\varphi, \sin\psi \cos\theta )

So far I was able to show that (by doing the derivative calculations- is there any faster way one can work?)

g_{ij} = - \frac{f^{2}(t)}{\alpha} \sum_{A=1}^{4} \frac{\partial n^{A}}{∂y^{i}}\frac{\partial n^{A}}{\partial y^{j}}

So I would like to interpret this result... I need some confirmation of how I interpreted it :)
Suppose you have the vector n. The metric is then by the equation above, defined by how the n vector changes \partial n along the change of the i-th coordinate ∂y^{i}. As I wrote it, by the module of the velocity of n wrt y^{i}. Also tried to do a grid diagram which I think is correct for S^{2} of coordinates (\theta,\varphi), just imagining the generalization of it with a 3rd coordinate ##\psi##.
Finally the metric is scaling by the flow of time (or y^{0}-coord) so it's more like, as time passes, we get different images of a 3-sphere, each having its "grid" rescaled by some factor.

Is that correct? Do you think I'm missing something important?

You posted four different ##g_{00}##, so I think you've not specified the metric correctly.

Also, when you use the Latin indices ##i,j## do they go from 1-3 or from 0-3?
 
latin indices= spatial indices= 1,2,3...
 

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