How is time incorporated into the robertson walker metric?

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The discussion centers on the incorporation of time into the Robertson-Walker metric, exploring its implications in the context of general relativity and the geometry of spacetime. Participants examine the metric's signature, the meaning of negative time in Minkowski space, and the relationship between spacelike and timelike intervals, as well as the implications of the curvature parameter 'k' in determining the universe's geometry.

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  • One participant notes that the Robertson-Walker metric was derived from a four-dimensional sphere and questions the presence of a minus sign before the time variable in the Minkowski equation.
  • Another participant asserts that time is represented in the negative direction in Minkowski space, suggesting that the metric signature always has time with an opposite sign to spatial dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about whether negative time implies anything significant, with a later reply indicating that negative time is not directly involved, but rather depends on the type of spacetime interval being considered.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the definitions of spacelike and timelike intervals, proposing a boundary between them and questioning how this relates to the universe's openness and the behavior of the Robertson-Walker metric.
  • Another participant clarifies that timelike intervals indicate a larger time interval than space interval, allowing for material bodies to move between events, while spacelike intervals are the opposite.
  • Participants discuss the curvature parameter 'k' in the Robertson-Walker metric, noting its role in determining whether the universe is open or closed and its effect on the expansion factor a(t).

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Participants express differing views on the implications of negative time and the definitions of spacelike and timelike intervals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretations of these concepts and their relationship to the universe's geometry.

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Some participants express confusion about the definitions and implications of spacelike and timelike intervals, as well as the role of the curvature parameter 'k' in the Robertson-Walker metric. There is a lack of consensus on the significance of negative time and its implications for the metric.

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I watched a lecture that derived the robertson walker metric by creating a metric to describe a four dimensional sphere in three dimensions. Then from minkowski's equation-

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the time variable was added.

And this equation came by using pythagorus' theorem on the minkowskian plane. So my question is, why is there a minus sign after the time variable? I would have thought is to be a plus.

The final equation became-
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Time is in the negative direction in Minkowski as with GR.

You could always instead give three spatial dimensions as negative, with positive signs, but whichever way, the 'metric signature' will always have time in the opposite sign to the spatial dimensions.

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It used to be a lot more difficult to deal with when considered as time axis having an imaginary component:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick_rotation
 
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Interesting, Does negetive time imply anything?
 
_PJ_ said:
Time is in the negative direction in Minkowski as with GR.

You could always instead give three spatial dimensions as negative, with positive signs, but whichever way, the 'metric signature' will always have time in the opposite sign to the spatial dimensions.

NihalRi said:
Interesting, Does negetive time imply anything?

It is a property of the spacetime interval, which is based upon the difference between the squared time interval and the squared space interval between events. Negative time per se is not involved. Which one is subtracted depends on the type of interval: timelike intervals have the space interval after the negative sign and vice versa for spacelike intervals.
 
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I might be digressing but I had thought spacelike and timelike referred to situations where there isn't a change in time and when the isn't a change in space respectively. Could it be that there is a boundary between the two(lightlike?) and our universe is leaning towards timelike. And does this have anything to do with how our universe is open? With an open universe I'd assume the space increases faster than time and that the robertson walker would have the time interval after the minus sign which clearly isn't the case so I'm confused.
 
Oh and I also read something about the value of k determining if our universe is open or closed how does that fall into all this.
 
NihalRi said:
I might be digressing but I had thought spacelike and timelike referred to situations where there isn't a change in time and when the isn't a change in space respectively. Could it be that there is a boundary between the two(lightlike?) and our universe is leaning towards timelike.
No, timelike spacetime intervals mean that the time interval between two events is larger than the space interval, i.e any interval where ##(c\Delta T)^2 > (\Delta X)^2 ## for flat spacetime. It also means that a material body can move between the two events at v<c. The opposite is true for spacelike intervals and lightlike intervals occur, as you suggested, when the two are equal and only light can move between the two events. For curved spacetime like our universe, the situation is a little more complex, but the same principle applies. But the universe is not timelike or spacelike: the terms apply only to events in spacetime.

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Oh and I also read something about the value of k determining if our universe is open or closed how does that fall into all this.
Yes, 'k' in the RW metric is the curvature parameter. As you can see, it only affects the a(t) part of the RW metric, but the expansion factor a(t) is obviously a function of time, hence it represents spacetime curvature. When k=0, you have the Minkowski metric, just expressed in polar coordinates, not Cartesian as in you first equation.
 
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