How Is Work Calculated in a Friction-Involved Scenario?

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The discussion revolves around calculating work in a scenario involving a car being pushed while considering friction. The problem includes determining net work, work done by the street, and work done by the students, with specific values provided for mass, distance, time, and the coefficient of friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate net work using kinetic energy and questions the method for finding the force of friction. They explore relationships between displacement, velocity, and acceleration.
  • Some participants suggest using the formula for acceleration and provide calculations for net work, while also addressing the force of friction.
  • Questions arise regarding the normal force and its relation to mass and acceleration versus gravitational force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing calculations and clarifications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulas for friction and acceleration, but there is still uncertainty about the definitions and relationships involved.

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There is confusion regarding the normal force and its calculation, as well as the application of work-energy principles in the context of friction. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and seeks conceptual understanding.

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Homework Statement


There is a 2450 kg car being pushed by a group of students. The car is pushed a distance of 12 m in 8.95 seconds. The coefficient of friction is .450.
a) What is the net work being done?
b) Work done by street?
c) Work done by students?


Homework Equations


Wnet=Kf-K0
Wf=-Ff*d
d=[(v0+vf)t]/2
KE=[mv^2]/2

The Attempt at a Solution


For a, Wnet=Kf-K0, and K0=0.
To find Kf, I started to find Vf, using the displacement formula
12=[vf*8.95]/2
vf=2.68 sec.
Then I found Kf
Kf=[2450*2.68^2]/2
Since K0=0, Wnet=8798 J (same value as Kf+0)

b asks for work done by street so I assumed that meant Wf.
At this point, I wasn't sure how to find Ff to use in Wf=-Ff*d formula
I thought Ff=μ*Fn
Is Fn=m*g? Or do I multiply m*a, after finding out acceleration?
Since I found Vf in the last step, do I divide that by time to find acceleration?

c is work done by students, which is Wpush/applied force.
Wnet=Wpull-Wf
Do I add Wf to Wnet to find applied force?
At this point, I don't really know what I'm doing.
Can someone give me a few tips on the concepts that should be understood about this problem and explain whatever errors I'm making?
 
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Ff is μ*Fn This will give you the force of friction, and you know the distance over which it was acting. And I am not sure what is better, but I personally would have found the acceleration with s = (at^2)/2
12 = a(8.95^2)/2
24 = 80.1025a
a = .2996m/s^2

Fnet = ma = .2996*2450 = 734.02
Wnet = Fnet*s = 734.02*12 = 8808J

Pretty similar answer
 
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Zula110100100 said:
Ff is μ*Fn This will give you the force of friction, and you know the distance over which it was acting.

Thanks for replying. I did get that acceleration and a very close Wnet (8820 J) when I worked it previously, while using the method you demonstrated.

For Ff, is Fn=m*a? Or m*g? That's what I'm confused about...
 
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Fn is the normal force, which is mg :)
 

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