How Is Work Calculated with a Nonconstant Force?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a nonconstant force defined by the equation f = (6x^3 - 2x) i, where the force is expressed in Newtons and x in meters. The original poster seeks to determine the work done as the object moves from x = 0 to x = 100 m, but encounters discrepancies between their calculations and the textbook answer.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of using integration to calculate work when the force is not constant, contrasting this with the simpler multiplication of force and distance for constant forces. There are attempts to derive the work equation through integration, and some participants express confusion regarding the results compared to the textbook answer.

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Participants are actively exploring the integration method for calculating work and are questioning the assumptions related to force and acceleration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of integrals, and there is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the relationship between force, work, and acceleration.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the work equation and the results obtained, with participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and the implications of nonconstant forces on acceleration.

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Homework Statement


An object is subject to a nonconstant force f = (6x^3 -2x) ihat

such that the force is in Newtons when x is in meters. Determine the work done on the object as a result of this force as the object moves from x = 0 to x = 100 m

Homework Equations


w = f * d

The Attempt at a Solution


again not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Plugging in 100 m into f you get

5999800 m, and the total distance covered was 100 m, so multiplying the two you get 5.999 x 10^8 joules but book gives me 1.5 x 10^8 joules

I do not see how the books answer agrees with the equation w = f * d.

alternately I could use W = \Delta K + E_t but I don't think using this equation is right in this case...
 
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Rijad Hadzic said:

Homework Statement


An object is subject to a nonconstant force f = (6x^3 -2x) ihat

such that the force is in Newtons when x is in meters. Determine the work done on the object as a result of this force as the object moves from x = 0 to x = 100 m

Homework Equations


w = f * d

The Attempt at a Solution


again not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Plugging in 100 m into f you get

5999800 m, and the total distance covered was 100 m, so multiplying the two you get 5.999 x 10^8 joules but book gives me 1.5 x 10^8 joules

I do not see how the books answer agrees with the equation w = f * d.

alternately I could use W = \Delta K + E_t but I don't think using this equation is right in this case...
I'm pretty sure you need to use an integral for this problem. When the force changes as a function of distance, you need to integrate the force f(x) * dx over the range of distance x. Can you show us that work?

If you haven't use LaTeX before to show integral work, you can find a tutorial under INFO at the top of the page (click Help/How-To).
 
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berkeman said:
I'm pretty sure you need to use an integral for this problem. When the force changes as a function of distance, you need to integrate the force f(x) * dx over the range of distance x. Can you show us that work?

If you haven't use LaTeX before to show integral work, you can find a tutorial under INFO at the top of the page (click Help/How-To).

I see. So if acceleration is not constant, then we have to use integral method? and if the force IS constant, we can use equation W = F*d?
 
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This involves basic calculus.. you need to find the Work equations first which is

6/4 × X^4 + X^2

now insert X = 100 and X = 0

1.5 10^8 +10^4 - (0)^4 -0^2Wait the answer is different from your book, why?._.
(Btw i can't give you the proper equations since I am on mobile, its too messy)
 
Hilmy atha said:
This involves basic calculus.. you need to find the Work equations first which is

6/4 × X^4 + X^2

now insert X = 100 and X = 0

1.5 10^8 +10^4 - (0)^4 -0^2Wait the answer is different from your book, why?._.
(Btw i can't give you the proper equations since I am on mobile, its too messy)
I'm not sure this is helpful. Let's see how the OP's work looks first...
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
I see. So if acceleration is not constant, then we have to use integral method? and if the force IS constant, we can use equation W = F*d?
You haven't been given any information about the acceleration. You are given f(x) and asked to find the work done over a range of x. That means you need to do the integral to figure out the total work over that distance.
 
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berkeman said:
I'm not sure this is helpful. Let's see how the OP's work looks first...

Hmm so I integrate function 6x^3 -2x

I get (6/4)x^4 - x^2
(6/4)(100)^4 - (100)^2 = 149990000

so that is my force. My distance is 100, so I multiply 149990000 by 100, and get 1.5 x 10^10

Still not my books answer :(. Why am I off by 10^10 - 10^8 :(?
 
berkeman said:
You haven't been given any information about the acceleration. You are given f(x) and asked to find the work done over a range of x. That means you need to do the integral to figure out the total work over that distance.
Well its saying that the force is not constant, so I assumed acceleration to be non constant as well... does that seem right?
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
Hmm so I integrate function 6x^3 -2x

I get (6/4)x^4 - x^2
(6/4)(100)^4

so that is my force. My distance is 100, so I multiply149990000 by 100, and get 1.5 x 10^10

Still not my books answer :(. Why am I off by 10^10 - 10^8 :(?

No no, you got it right. Wow the answer was much closer to the book than i thoguht.

So,149990000 Joule IS your Work. Which rounds up to 1.5 × 10^8. The integral of Force IS work. Your equation has been converted to work equation
 
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Hilmy atha said:
No no, you got it right. Wow the answer was much closer to the book than i thoguht.

So,149990000 Joule IS your Work. Which rounds up to 1.5 × 10^8. The integral of Force IS work. Your equation has been converted to work equation

Ahh okay finally I understand now.

Using the fact that integral of force is work, I didn't have to multiply by 100 at all.

Okay thank you guys. But also if you can answer my question:

"Well its saying that the force is not constant, so I assumed acceleration to be non constant as well... does that seem right?"

I appreciate everything!
 
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Rijad Hadzic said:
Ahh okay finally I understand now.
Okay thank you guys. But also if you can answer my question:

"Well its saying that the force is not constant, so I assumed acceleration to be non constant as well... does that seem right?"

I appreciate everything!

Well yes.. if your Force changed, either the accel. or the mass changed. But you don't gain/lose mass along the way :p so yeah acceleration is the one that changes
 
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