How Long Does It Take to Change Air in a Box Using a 700 mbar Vacuum Pump?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time required to change the air inside a box with a specific volume using a vacuum pump that operates at 700 mbar. The original poster provides initial parameters but seeks clarification on how to determine the time needed for air evacuation.

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  • Participants question the missing information regarding the power and flow capacity of the vacuum pump. There is discussion about the relevance of the pressure measurement provided and its implications for the calculation.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the need for additional parameters, such as the pump's flow capacity, to proceed with the calculation. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the pump's specifications and how they relate to the problem at hand.

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The original poster's calculations involve energy and pressure units that some participants find unconventional or confusing. There is an emphasis on the need for consistent units in the calculations.

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dear reader,

given:

- a box with a volume of 3/100 l (liter)
- a vacuum pump of 700 mbar.



question:

how long takes it, to change the air inside the box with the described vacuum pump.



solution:

i) 1 bar = 10^5 Pascal = 10^5 J/m^3
==> 700 mbar = 0.7 bar = 7*10^4 J/m^3
ii) 1 m^3 = 1000 l (liter)
==> 7*10^4 J/m^3 = 7*10^4*10^-3 J/l = 70 J/l
iii) problem: how can I calculate the needed time, when I have the energy: 70 J/l and the volume: 3/100 l?




Thank you very much,


sincerly,


Hick
 
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Something appears to be missing. Specifically, the power of the pump. Is there any other given or implied information?
 
What you lack there is capacity of the pump. If you know it then use Gaede's equation to get the time duration.

PS: Not that it is incorrect, the pressure unit of J/cu.mtr is the funniest I have ever seen. It is totally redundant in this context.
 
Hello,

the pump sucks with 700 mbar. Is it possible, that this value is the capacity of the pump? The pump sucks 700 mbar/sec and an infinite volume can bee sucked in?

Thank`s for helping me,

greets

Hick
 
700 mbar is the pressure(vacuum) that is possible to achieve by the pump. What you should know is the flow capacity in liters/sec or any other suitable units.

If you know the pump capacity, the time of evacuation is calculated, for a leak free system, by

t = (V/Q) x ln(P1/P2)

t is time in seconds
V is volume of the vessel in liters
Q is actual flowrate of pump in liters/minute
P1 and P2 are initial and final absolute pressures (in your case P2 is 313.25 mBar and P1 is atmospheric)

You can use any units consistent to the equation.
 

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