How Long Must L Be to Distinguish Particle Masses with a Detector's Resolution?

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The problem involves two particles with different masses entering a detector with a specified momentum. The goal is to determine the distance L required to distinguish the particles based on the time difference Δt, which can be measured with a resolution of 300 ps. The discussion centers around the implications of this resolution in relation to standard deviations and the necessary time difference for detection.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of the detector's resolution and its relationship to standard deviations. There is discussion about the interpretation of time resolution and its implications for distinguishing between the two particles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the definitions and implications of the detector's resolution. Some have proposed that the resolution corresponds to the standard deviation of a Gaussian distribution, while others are considering alternative definitions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to calculate the necessary time difference for distinguishing the particles based on the provided resolution.

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There is uncertainty regarding the definitions of resolution and its application in this context, as well as the relationship between the time difference required for detection and the standard deviations involved.

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Homework Statement


Suppose teo particles with masses m1 and m2 enter a detector both with momentum p. Calculate the difference Δt of the times they need to cross a distance L.

Suppose Δt can be measured with a 300 ps resolution. How long must L be if we want to distinguish particles with m1 from particles with m2 with two standard deviations if their momentums are p?

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The first part is easy. I used \beta _1 = \frac{p}{E_1} = \frac{p}{\sqrt{p^2+m_1^2}} and t_1 = \frac{L}{\beta_1}, and similar for the second particle. I'm not sure if that formula for the time is entirely correct, but I get to the same result if I integrate the velocity.

But I am lost in the second part. What exactly does it mean for the detector to have a 300 ps resolution? And how does it relate to the standard deviations?

If there was no mention of the s.d. I would suppose that for the detector to distinguish between two particles they have to enter it with at least a 300 ps difference. But what about the s.d.?
 
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carllacan said:
What exactly does it mean for the detector to have a 300 ps resolution?
The measured time will deviate from the actual arrival time in a random way for each measurement, and the standard deviation is 300 ps. As an example, the measurement will often be wrong by 100 or 200 ps, but rarely by 1000 ps because this would be more than 3 standard deviations away from the mean.
 
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mfb said:
The measured time will deviate from the actual arrival time in a random way for each measurement, and the standard deviation is 300 ps. As an example, the measurement will often be wrong by 100 or 200 ps, but rarely by 1000 ps because this would be more than 3 standard deviations away from the mean.

Oh, so the time resolution just means the standard deviation of the Gaussian? I haven't been given a definition either in the lectures or in the class notes, and I don't find any (useful) definition on any book or in the internet.

Thanks for your time.
 
Well... probably. Sometimes other definitions are used for "resolution", like FWHM, but without more context I think it is save to assume it is the standard deviation of a Gaussian.
 
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mfb said:
Well... probably. Sometimes other definitions are used for "resolution", like FWHM, but without more context I think it is save to assume it is the standard deviation of a Gaussian.

Well, I'll have to make do with that one and see how it goes. Many thanks!
 
One more thing, just to get it right: my approach now is that the probability for a particle that enters at time t1 to be detected at time t is
p_1(x)=\frac{1}{\sigma\sqrt{2\pi}}exp\left[-\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{t-t_1}{\sigma}\right)\right],
and likewise for the second particle that enters at time t_1 + \Delta t. Now the question is: how much needs \Delta t to be so that the two curves can be resolved within two standard deviations? That is, they must intersect at a distance 2\sigma from each peak.

So I set p_1(2\sigma)=p_2(-2\sigma) and I get \Delta t = 4 \sigma, so there should be a delay of 1200 ps between their arrivals. Right?
 
The two standard deviations are the full separation already, so they should be 600 ps apart I think.
 
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