How long would an electron-positron pair exist for?

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The discussion revolves around the existence time of an electron-positron pair in a vacuum, referencing energy requirements for their creation and the implications of quantum mechanics on their stability.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore calculations related to the time an electron-positron pair might exist, using the uncertainty principle. There are discussions about the impact of kinetic energy and the size of the space in which the particles exist.

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There are varying calculations presented by participants, with some questioning the assumptions made in the original problem statement. Guidance is offered regarding the use of significant figures in calculations, and there is a mention of a potential missing factor in the lecturer's formula.

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Participants note the absence of specific details in the problem, such as the size of the space or the kinetic energy of the particles, which may affect the interpretation of the question.

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Homework Statement


How long would an electron-positron pair exist for in "the vacuum" [of space]?

To create an electron-positron pair requires at least 2mc^2 = 1.6 x 10^-13 J

Homework Equations



ΔEΔt ~ (h-bar)/2

The Attempt at a Solution



Δt ~ (h-bar)/2ΔE
Δt ~ (1.05 x 10^-34) / (2 x 1.6 x10^-13)
Δt ~ 3.28 x 10^-22 s
 
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How big is the box you put them in? The more room the particles have to roam the smaller the chance they will "meet".
 
Spinnor said:
How big is the box you put them in? The more room the particles have to roam the smaller the chance they will "meet".

There is no reference to this in the question.

It just mentions that "the vacuum" is teaming with virtual particles which blink in and out of existence. Then asks How long would an electron-positron pair exist for in "the vacuum" [of space]?
 
I would suppose more than 14 billion years if they started out on opposite sides of the 14-billion light-year wide universe.
 
I'm getting 3.22 instead of 3.28. If you're posting because your answer is wrong, that might be why. Try using more digits in your calculations.
I'm also guessing that you aren't supposed to consider that the electron and positron have kinetic energy as well as mass energy, otherwise you would have to take that into account, but no information has been given to you.
 
frogjg2003 said:
I'm getting 3.22 instead of 3.28. If you're posting because your answer is wrong, that might be why. Try using more digits in your calculations.
I'm also guessing that you aren't supposed to consider that the electron and positron have kinetic energy as well as mass energy, otherwise you would have to take that into account, but no information has been given to you.

Thanks frogjg2003.

Even though we're getting slightly different results which is probably due to using a different number of figures in the calculation, is the formula which I'm using correct?

There is no other info given, so nothing else has to be taken into account.

The reason I ask is because the lecturer provided on the board the following solution:

Electron pair requires at least 2mc^2=1.02MeV of energy
Δt ~ (h-bar)/ΔE
Δt ~ (1.05 x 10^-34) / (1.02 x 1.6 x 10^-13)
Δt ~ 6.4 x 10^-22 s
 
ZedCar said:
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The reason I ask is because the lecturer provided on the board the following solution:

Electron pair requires at least 2mc^2=1.02MeV of energy
Δt ~ (h-bar)/ΔE

...

Is there a factor of 2 missing above? Δt ~ (h-bar)/ΔE
 

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