How Many Atomic Diameters Does a Neon Atom Move Between Collisions?

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The problem involves calculating how many atomic diameters a neon atom moves between collisions, given the pressure and temperature of the gas. The subject area includes concepts from kinetic theory and gas behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of number density using the ideal gas law and the mean free path equation. There is uncertainty regarding the correct atomic radius or diameter of neon, with different values being considered.

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Some participants have provided calculations and clarified units, while others have questioned the assumptions about atomic dimensions. A productive direction has emerged as one participant successfully arrives at the expected answer after revisiting their calculations.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the atomic radius versus diameter of neon, and the need to clarify units associated with pressure. The original poster expresses a lack of understanding about certain physics concepts.

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Homework Statement


The pressure inside a tank of neon is 150 . The temperature is 25C.
how many atomic diameters does a neon atom move between collisions?


Homework Equations



I used the number density N/V=p/KbT and the mean free path equation, where pressure is in pasquals, and tried both that the atomic radius is 0.5 x 10^-10 m and then searched and found that the atomic radius of neon is 3.8 x 10-11 m and am wondering if this is my problem...not understanding the radius/diameter of neon.



The Attempt at a Solution

oops see above, the answer is 61 in the back of the book, but I have not gotten that answer at all. Any help would be super appreciated!
 
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Could you post your calculations, even if they don't give the same answer as in the back of the book? Also, what units go with the 150 pressure value given in the problem statement?
 
Sure, sorry about that. It's 150 atm, so 1519000 pascals, and then 298 K.

I first determined N/V=P/KbT...the number density is ...3.69x10^27 m-3.

Then using the mean free path equation 1/(4* sqrt2*pi*3.69x10^27m-3*r^2) where r is the radius (from Knight's engineering physics book, but saw on the net that it often in diameter...I'm new at some of this physics so a bit naive about it) where in the book, monatomic gases are 0.5 x 10^-10 m and so I wonder if this is where I'm messing up ...I did try a value of neon's radius of 3.8 x 10^-11 but still didn't come up with the final correct answer?

I get the mean free path to be with knight's radius value as 6.0 x 10^9 m...then divided that by the diameter (2r) to get (okay this is embarrassing because I'm reworking this in my calculator as I type this up and guess what...) I get 60.9 or 61. This is the correct answer. I seriously worked an hour on this simple intro problem and could not get that answer.

Well, thank you for making me redo this!
 
Cool, glad it worked out.
 

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