How many combinations are possible with the four quantum numbers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possible combinations of quantum numbers associated with electrons, particularly focusing on the implications of the four quantum numbers in atomic and multi-atomic systems. It also explores the application of Pauli's exclusion principle in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the number of combinations of quantum numbers is theoretically infinite, but practically limited by the principal quantum number (n) in specific physical situations.
  • One participant notes that as n increases, it becomes easier to ionize an atom, which affects the stability of the atom and the energy levels.
  • Another participant questions whether the quantum number n=1 in one atom is distinct from n=1 in a neighboring atom when considering combinations and permutations of quantum numbers.
  • There is a query regarding the application of Pauli's exclusion principle, with some participants indicating it applies to all electrons but may yield different quantum numbers in multi-atom systems.
  • A participant references external resources for further exploration of hydrogen quantum numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the number of combinations can be infinite under certain conditions, but there is no consensus on how quantum numbers interact across different atoms or the implications of the exclusion principle in multi-atomic contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the principal quantum number (n) and the specific physical situations being considered, as well as the unresolved nature of how quantum numbers may differ in multi-atomic systems.

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1. how many combinations are possible with the four quantum numbers?

2. Does Pauli's exclusion principle apply only to electrons within the same atom?

can it apply across atoms as well? how is the exclusion principle generalized across atoms?
 
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1.: Which quantum numbers do you mean? Electrons in an atom? The number is (countable) infinite.

2.: No, it is valid for all electrons, but in systems with multiple atoms you get different energy eigenstates and therefore different quantum numbers.
 
San K said:
1. how many combinations are possible with the four quantum numbers?

In principle, an infinite number. In practice, it depends on how high you can go with the principal quantum number (n) in a particular physical situation. As n increases, it becomes easier to ionize an atom and more difficult to keep it together. Look at the energy levels for hydrogen, for example, and see how they approach E = 0 as n increases.
 
jtbell said:
In principle, an infinite number. In practice, it depends on how high you can go with the principal quantum number (n) in a particular physical situation. As n increases, it becomes easier to ionize an atom and more difficult to keep it together. Look at the energy levels for hydrogen, for example, and see how they approach E = 0 as n increases.

Thanks mfb and jtbell.

1. How many combinations are possible with the four quantum numbers, with/when principal quantum number (n) = 1?

Assume these are electrons around a nucleus.

2. In a system with multiple atoms:

Is n=1 different than n=1 in a neighbouring atom, for determining the combinations and permutations of the four quantum numbers?
 
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