How many moles of gas are in the bag?

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The problem involves a closed bag containing an unknown gas, with specific conditions regarding volume, temperature, and pressure. The discussion focuses on calculating the number of moles of gas, work done during expansion, change in internal energy, and the type of gas based on given parameters.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law to determine the number of moles, questioning unit conversions and the use of appropriate gas constants. There are also considerations about the calculation of work done and internal energy changes, with some participants expressing confusion about specific values and constants.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering corrections and suggestions for recalculating values. There is recognition of potential errors in unit conversions and gas constant selection, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculations.

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Participants note the importance of using consistent units, particularly in relation to pressure and volume, and express confusion regarding the appropriate gas constant to use in calculations. There is also mention of discrepancies in expected values for specific heat capacity.

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Homework Statement


1. A large closed bag of plastic contains 0.10 m3 of an unknown gas at an initial temperature of 10°C and at the same pressure as the surrounding atmosphere, 1.0 atm. You place this bag in the sun and let the gas warm up to 38°C and expand to 0.11 m3. During this process, the gas absorbs 840 cal of heat. Assume the bag is large enough so the gas never strains against it, and therefore remains at a constant pressure of 1.0 atm.

(a) How many moles of gas are in the bag?

(b) What is the work done by the gas in the bag against the atmosphere during the expansion?

(c) What is the change in the internal energy of the gas in the bag?

(d) Is the gas a monoatomic gas? A diatomic gas?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


a.)
PV=nRT --> 1 atm * .10 m^3= n * 0.0821 * (10+273)K
n=.1/23.2343--->0.004304 moles

b.)
W=P*deltaV--->1 atm*.01m^3 = .01 Joule

c.) delta U= Delta Q - delta W --> (840 cal*4.186J)-0.01 J
delta U=3516.24 J-0.01J=3516.23J

d.)
delta Q = ncp*delta T --> 3516.23J=0.004304 mol * cp*28K
cp=29177.4 Joules


I think part D is where my problem lies. The bold number I think is especially off. Am I approaching this problem the right way? My book doesn't give any good examples...Thanks.
 
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Wellesley said:
b.)
W=P*deltaV--->1 atm*.01m^3 = .01 Joule

You mean W=PΔV = 1atm * 0.01m3= 101.325(103)Pa * 0.01m3, this will give you more than 0.01J of energy. Your method is correct, it just in this part, you forgot to convert units.
 


rock.freak667 said:
You mean W=PΔV = 1atm * 0.01m3= 101.325(103)Pa * 0.01m3, this will give you more than 0.01J of energy. Your method is correct, it just in this part, you forgot to convert units.

Thanks. I knew it was something simple.
But my answer is still off (I think) by a factor of 1000!

ΔQ = ncp*ΔT --> 2502.99=0.004304 mol * cp*28K
cp=20769.6 Joules/mol*K --> 4961.69 cal/mol*k

When I looked up the cp values, they were ~ 4.96cal/mol*K. But I've checked my math over several times. Am I missing something basic?
 


Wellesley said:

The Attempt at a Solution


a.)
PV=nRT --> 1 atm * .10 m^3= n * 0.0821 * (10+273)K
n=.1/23.2343--->0.004304 moles

Sorry, I missed it here as well, P=101.325 kPa, redo this and get 'n'.

Wellesley said:
Thanks. I knew it was something simple.
But my answer is still off (I think) by a factor of 1000!

ΔQ = ncp*ΔT --> 2502.99=0.004304 mol * cp*28K
cp=20769.6 Joules/mol*K --> 4961.69 cal/mol*k

When I looked up the cp values, they were ~ 4.96cal/mol*K. But I've checked my math over several times. Am I missing something basic?
 


rock.freak667 said:
Sorry, I missed it here as well, P=101.325 kPa, redo this and get 'n'.

I always get confused with 8.31 (typically physics) and 0.0821 (chemistry) as the gas constants.

It turns out neither of them use m3 ...that turns into 100L and I get 4.3 moles, and 4.96 cal/mol*K

Thanks for the help!
 

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