Entropy: gas heated by resistor

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The problem involves a current flowing through a resistor in a rigid adiabatic vessel containing helium gas. Participants are tasked with determining the internal energy change of the gas, as well as the entropy changes for both the gas and the universe, given specific parameters such as current, resistance, and initial temperature.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the equilibrium temperature and changes in internal energy and entropy using principles of thermodynamics and the properties of ideal gases. Some participants question the accuracy of numerical calculations, particularly regarding the equilibrium temperature and the energy conversion from electrical to thermal.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback on specific numerical values and suggesting areas for clarification. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations related to the energy input and its effects on the system.

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Participants note potential discrepancies in calculations and the importance of correctly applying formulas, particularly in relation to the current and energy conversion. The discussion reflects a focus on ensuring accurate numerical results while adhering to the constraints of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A current ## I=0.2 A ## flows in a resistor ##R = 50 Ω## immersed in a rigid adiabatic vessel that contains ##n=3## moles of Helium. The initial temperature of the system is ##T_0 = 27 °C##. The resistor has a mass ## m = 10 g## and specific heat ## c = 0.2 (cal/K)/g ## and runs for ##t= 10 min##. Find:
  1. the internal energy change of He.
  2. the entropy change of He and the entropy change of the Universe.

Homework Equations


##P = i^2R##
##dS = \left( \frac {\delta Q} T \right)##

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The Attempt at a Solution


I think I solved the problem, but I'm not completely sure of my reasoning, especially on the last question. Could you tell me what you think?

1) Helium is a noble gas, so I assumed it's an ideal gas. Therefore ## U = U(T) ##.
Since the volume is kept constant: ## ΔU = n c_V ΔT = n \frac 3 2 RΔT##. (Helium is monoatomic)
I calculated the temperature at equilibrium (##T_{eq}##) by knowing that the electrical energy is converted into heat that heats up both the resistor and the gas:
$$E_{in} = (mc + n c_v) (T_{eq} - T_0) $$
$$ I^2 R t + T_0 (mc + n c_v) = T_{eq} (mc + n c_v)$$
and hoping I converted all units accordingly:
$$T_{eq} = \frac {I^2 R t + T_0 (mc + n c_v)} {(mc + n c_v)} ≈ 431 K $$
Therefore: $$ΔU = n \frac 3 2 RΔT ≈ 4.89 kJ$$

2) Helium absorbs heat at constant volume, so ##TdS =\delta Q = nc_v dT##
So: $$ ΔS_{He} = \int_{T_0}^{T_{eq}} \frac {nc_v} T \, dT = n c_v \ln{\frac {T_{eq}} {T_0}} ≈13.5 J/K $$
As for the entropy change of the universe, I calculated the entropy change due to the heating of the resistor and added it to that of the gas:
$$ ΔS_R = \int_{T_0}^{T_{eq}} \frac {mc} T \, dT = mc \ln{\frac {T_{eq}} {T_0}} ≈3.02 J/K $$
$$ ΔS_{univ} = ΔS_{He} + ΔS_R ≈ 16.52 J/K$$

Since the energy flowing into the system comes only through electrical work, and the vessel is adiabatic, there are no other heat exchanges that could cause a change in entropy of the universe, right?
 
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Hello and welcome to PF!

Your method and resoning look very good to me. However, I'm getting different numbers.

For example, you have
##T_{eq} = \frac {I^2 R t + T_0 (mc + n c_v)} {(mc + n c_v)} ≈ 431 K ##
The formula looks correct, but I don't get 431 K. Can you tell us what numerical values you have for ##mc## for the resistor and ##nc_v## for the He?
 
TSny said:
The formula looks correct, but I don't get 431 K. Can you tell us what numerical values you have for ##mc## for the resistor and ##nc_v## for the He?
Sure. I might have been a bit sloppy with numbers. So using the given data:
##mc = 10 g ~ 0.2~ \frac {cal} {K~g} = 2~ \frac {cal} K ##
##nc_v = 3~ mol~ \frac {3}{2}~ R = 3~mol~ \frac {3}{2}~ 1.987~ \frac {cal}{K ~mol} ≈ 8.94 \frac {cal} K##
Therefore, since ## 1 ~cal = 4.18 ~J##:
$$T_{eq} = \frac {6000 ~J + 300.15~ K (2+8.94)~ 4.18 \frac J K} {(2+8.94)~ 4.18 \frac J K} ≈ \frac {6000 ~J + 13727.5 ~J } {45.74 \frac J K} ≈ 431.3 K$$
 
OK. The problem appears to be with your calculation of ##I^2Rt##. Did you square the current?
 
TSny said:
OK. The problem appears to be with your calculation of ##I^2Rt##. Did you square the current?
Ahaha. Yes, you're right. Apparently I didn't. So ##I^2Rt = 1200 ~J## and therefore:
##T_{eq} ≈ 326.4~ K##
##ΔU ≈ 982.1 ~J##
##ΔS_{He} ≈ 3.14 ~J/K##
##ΔS_R ≈ 0.7 ~J/K##
 
OK. I get about 987 J for ΔUHe, but that's close to what you get.
 
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