How Many Quantum Bound States Exist Semi-Classically?

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of quantum bound states in a semi-classical context, specifically using a Hamiltonian function related to a 4-dimensional phase space. Participants are exploring the relationship between the volume of this phase space and the number of distinguishable quantum states, as dictated by energy constraints.

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  • Participants discuss the method of calculating the number of states using integrals over phase space and the implications of energy conservation. There are attempts to relate the volume of a 4-dimensional ellipsoid to the number of states, with references to the geometry of phase space.

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Some participants have suggested methods for calculating the volume of the ellipsoid and how to apply it to find the number of states. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary integrals and the relationship between the volume and the number of quantum states, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the Hamiltonian function and the energy constraints are correctly defined, and they are questioning how to extract the necessary parameters from the given equations.

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Homework Statement


How many bound states are there quantum mechanically ?


We are told to approach the problem semi classically.
Consider the Hamiltonian function
H : R 2n → R
(whose values are energies), and for E0 < E1 the set
{(p, x) ∈ R 2n |H(p, x) ∈ [E0 , E1 ]} ⊆ R 2n
,
which we assume to have the 2n-dimensional volume V (2n) . It is a fact that when-
ever V (2n) is finite, then there are only finitely many (distinguishable) quantum
mechanical states. More precisely, one has
V (2n) hn ≈ ♯{states of energy E ∈ [E0 , E1 ]},
where h = 2π. Moreover, strict equality holds provided the l.h.s. is an integer.

Asked to consider
asked to consider the Hamiltonian function
H(p, x) = p1^2 2m1 + p2^2 2m2 + 1 /2 m1 ω 1^2 x1^2 + 1/ 2 m2 ω 2^ 2 x2^2 ,
and to determine the approximate number of states of energy E
≤ Etotal .
Hint: This is the equation of an el lipsoid in 4-dimensional phase space with
coordinates (p1 , p2 , x1 , x2 ). The volume of the ellipsoid with radii a, b, c, d is abcd
times the volume of the 4-dimensional unit sphere


I'm stuck trying to find a starting point for the problem
 
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If I recall this method correctly, $ N \approx \int d^np d^n x/(2\pi\hbar)^n$, where N is the number of states - it is just the amount of "cells" in phase space. The integral should be taken over the whole possible space in it. In your case this space is 4-dimensional (p1, x1, p2, x2) and is bounded by the energy conservation law:
$ E = p_1^2/2m_1 + m_1 \omega_1^2 x_1^2 /2 + p_2^2/2m_2 + m_2 \omega_2^2 x_2^2 /2 \le E_{total}$
This is an equation of a 4 dimensional ellipsoid.
To calculate the n-dimensional surface of a unit sphere do the following:
consider the integral $\int \exp(-r^2)d^n r$ over the whole space. Now write $ d^n r = \Omega_n r^{n-1} dr$ where $\Omega_n$ is the surface of a unit n-dimensional sphere. Substituting $ r = \sqrt{z}$ you get gamma function
$\int \exp(-r^2)d^n r = \Omega_n \Gamma(n/2)/2$.
On the other hand, the integral can be represented as
$\int \exp(-r^2)d^n r = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\exp(-x_1^2)dx_1 \times \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\exp(-x_2^2)dx_2 \times ... \times \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\exp(-x_n^2)dx_n$.
Each of these integrals is Poisson integral and is equal to $\sqrt{\pi}$. Comparing both sides you get at last
$\Omega_n = 2 \pi^{n/2}/\Gamma(n/2)$.
For instance, when n = 2 ("surface area" of a circle) this gives $\Omega_2 = 2 \pi/\Gamma(1)=2\pi$,
for n = 3 taking into account that $\Gamma(3/2) = 1/2 \times \Gamma(1/2) = \sqrt{\pi}/2$ you get (as it should be) $\Omega_3 = 4\pi$
in your case n = 4 and so $\Omega_4 = 2\pi^2$.

Good luck!
 
quZz said:
If I recall this method correctly, $ N \approx \int d^np d^n x/(2\pi\hbar)^n$, where N is the number of states - it is just the amount of "cells" in phase space. The integral should be taken over the whole possible space in it. In your case this space is 4-dimensional (p1, x1, p2, x2) and is bounded by the energy conservation law:
$ E = p_1^2/2m_1 + m_1 \omega_1^2 x_1^2 /2 + p_2^2/2m_2 + m_2 \omega_2^2 x_2^2 /2 \le E_{total}$
This is an equation of a 4 dimensional ellipsoid.
To calculate the n-dimensional surface of a unit sphere do the following:
consider the integral $\int \exp(-r^2)d^n r$ over the whole space. Now write $ d^n r = \Omega_n r^{n-1} dr$ where $\Omega_n$ is the surface of a unit n-dimensional sphere. Substituting $ r = \sqrt{z}$ you get gamma function
$\int \exp(-r^2)d^n r = \Omega_n \Gamma(n/2)/2$.
On the other hand, the integral can be represented as
$\int \exp(-r^2)d^n r = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\exp(-x_1^2)dx_1 \times \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\exp(-x_2^2)dx_2 \times ... \times \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\exp(-x_n^2)dx_n$.
Each of these integrals is Poisson integral and is equal to $\sqrt{\pi}$. Comparing both sides you get at last
$\Omega_n = 2 \pi^{n/2}/\Gamma(n/2)$.
For instance, when n = 2 ("surface area" of a circle) this gives $\Omega_2 = 2 \pi/\Gamma(1)=2\pi$,
for n = 3 taking into account that $\Gamma(3/2) = 1/2 \times \Gamma(1/2) = \sqrt{\pi}/2$ you get (as it should be) $\Omega_3 = 4\pi$
in your case n = 4 and so $\Omega_4 = 2\pi^2$.

Good luck!




So This means that I have my surface area which is 2*pi(squared) and what I should do is integrate over this within the region of the 4 dimensional ellipsoid?
 
Well, if I recall this method correctly :wink: all you have to do is just find the volume of the 4-dimensional ellipsoid given it's radii a,b,c,d (you can extract them from the energy conservation law). As it is said in your first post this volume is equal to a*b*c*d*2*pi^2. Then divide this volume by $ (2\pi\hbar)^4$.
 

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