How Many Stereoisomers Do Hexadecanoic Acid and Oleic Acid Have?

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The discussion centers on the number of distinct stereoisomers for hexadecanoic acid (palmitic acid) and oleic acid, exploring concepts of stereochemistry, particularly in relation to cis/trans isomerism and stereocenters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the presence of stereoisomers in hexadecanoic acid, noting that none of the sp3 carbons have a stereocenter and that the double bond is not fixed due to free rotation.
  • Another participant agrees that there are no stereoisomers in hexadecanoic acid, suggesting an error in the problem statement.
  • A third participant confirms the absence of stereoisomers in hexadecanoic acid and expresses gratitude for the clarification.
  • One participant argues that oleic acid has one cis/trans site, leading to two stereoisomers, while also referencing a source that defines cis/trans isomerism as a form of stereoisomerism.
  • A later reply reflects a misunderstanding of stereoisomerism, equating it solely with chirality, indicating a need for clarification on the broader definition of stereoisomerism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that hexadecanoic acid has no stereoisomers, but there is contention regarding the number of stereoisomers for oleic acid, with differing interpretations of the definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the classification of stereoisomers and the definitions of stereocenters, particularly in relation to the carboxylic acid group and the implications of cis/trans isomerism.

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Homework Statement


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How many distinct stereoisomers exist for the hexadecanoic acid and oleic acid, respectively?
Please choose from one of the following options.
  • 1, 1
  • 1, 2
  • 2, 2
  • 2, 4

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The Attempt at a Solution



If you look at the following images of hexadecanoic (palmitic) acid, and oleic acid, respectively, I cannot find how they arrive at their answer.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Palmitic_acid.svg

Oleic-acid-based-on-xtal-1997-2D-skeletal.png


The correct answer is B.

In palmitic acid...where is the stereoisomer? I would be looking for something that is either cis/trans or R/S...and none of the sp3 carbons have a stereocenter (they all have at least two H's), and the only double bond is on the carboxylic oxygen. Even if you assume that it is resonant with the hydroxyl group, the CH2 group will freely rotate and not cause any fixation. So I do not see where the stereocenter is..

In oleic acid, I can see that there is one cis/trans site, but otherwise I have the same issue.

Why is the carboxylic acid counting as a stereocenter...?
 
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Must be some error, no stereoisomers here.
 
Borek said:
Must be some error, no stereoisomers here.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to confirm. Thanks Khan Academy...
 
Strange, I was always under impression stereoisomerism is other name for chirality. Seems I was wrong.
 

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