How Many Unique Chocolate Combinations Can You Create?

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The discussion revolves around the combinatorial problem of selecting unique combinations of chocolates from a set of different brands. Participants explore the constraints of selection, the interpretation of the problem statement, and draw parallels to similar combinatorial problems.

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  • One participant asks how many combinations can be made when selecting three chocolates from ten different types, with the restriction that no pair can be chosen more than once.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether "chocolates" refers to types or individual candies.
  • A participant specifies that the chocolates refer to different brands and emphasizes the need for clarity in the problem statement regarding selection rules.
  • There is confusion about the implications of not being able to pick a pair of chocolates more than once, with questions about whether this affects the selection of individual chocolates.
  • One participant lists the combinations of three brands from a set of five and explains the reasoning behind the selection process, noting that the order of selection does not matter.
  • Another participant calculates the total number of ways to select three brands from five, addressing the need to account for different orders of selection.
  • A participant introduces the social golfer problem as a related combinatorial optimization problem, drawing parallels to the chocolate selection scenario while noting additional variables in the golfer problem.
  • The participant rephrases their problem to focus on scheduling groups of golfers without repeating pairings, seeking solutions for this variation.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the problem statement and selection rules, leading to unresolved questions about the constraints and the nature of the combinations. There is no consensus on the correct understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the definitions of selection and the implications of the restrictions on pairings. The discussion also touches on the complexity introduced by additional variables in related problems.

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Individuals interested in combinatorial mathematics, problem-solving strategies, and those exploring similar optimization problems may find this discussion relevant.

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There are 10 different chocolates and you want to buy three of them. However, you cannot pick a pair of chocolate more than once. How many different choice you can make??
 
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By "chocolates" do you mean 10 candy types or 10 individual candies?
 
Ten differrent type of chocolates
Lets say ten different brands
 
Hypatia said:
you want to buy three of them
And what about this phrase? Can I buy, say, 7 chocolates of 3 different types or does it have to be 3 individual chocolates?

Hypatia said:
you cannot pick a pair of chocolate more than once.
This is also unclear. If I pick a pair twice, I have 4 chocolates. Why is this a restriction if I need to buy just 3? Or, if I have to buy any number of chocolates of 3 different types, can I buy 3 chocolates of type 1? I have 1 pair and another single chocolate, so no pair is picked twice.

Please describe the problem statement as clearly as you can.
 
So let us say that we have the following chocolate brands
A B C D E
The number of three groups that can be formed with these brands will be 10. The order of your selection does not important and all three chocolate brands in each group should be different as the following
ABC
ABD
ABE
ACD
ACE
ADE
BCD
BCE
BDE
CDE
and let us say you buy A B C. From that point, but you can not buy chocolote groups involving A B, A C, or B C because you have chosen those pair of brands when you selected the ABC group. You cannot also buy A A A or A A B. Because that is not an option, as you see there will be 10 groups as listed above. When you select ABC, you can only buy ADE from the above list.
 
I'm not sure exactly what you are saying! It is true that, if we cannot have the same letter twice then we can choose any of the five letters first, then any of the remaining four, the any of the remaining 3 so 5(4)(3)= 60 different ways. But that includes the same three letters in different orders, such as ABC and BAC which apparently you do not want. There are 3!= 3(2)(1)= 6 different orders in which you can order three different ways. To discount those, divide by 3!= 6 to get 60/6= 10.

Now, what is the difference between "selecting" ABC and "buying" ADE?
 
Selecting and buying mean the same. I used them interchangeably. Do you familiar with the social golfer problem? It is a very famous combinatorial optimization problem. Maybe I could not express as clearly as possible. But actually what I am asking is very similar to that of the social golfer problem. You can check it from the link below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_golfer_problem

But anyway, I want to write this problem here:

A group of 32 golfers plays golf once a week in groups of 4. Schedule these golfers to play for as many weeks as possible without any two golfers playing in the same group more than once.

But this problem, as you may notice, involves additional variable:week. Which I am not interested in. So let me phrase the problem again.

A group of 16 players plays golf once a week in groups of 4. Find the maximum number of groups for these golfers to play without any two golfers playing in the same group more than once.

How can we solve it?
 
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