How massive is a monopole particle compared to a proton?

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The discussion revolves around the mass of hypothetical magnetic monopole particles in comparison to protons, exploring concepts from grand unified theories (GUT) and their implications for particle physics. Participants engage in estimating the mass of these monopoles and contextualizing it within known particle masses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Alan Guth's discussion on the mass of magnetic monopoles, suggesting they could be around 10^17 GeV, which is approximately 10^17 times the mass of a proton.
  • Another participant attempts to visualize this mass by calculating it in kilograms, arriving at approximately 1.67^-10 Kg, and seeks relatable examples of this mass scale.
  • A participant mentions that a grain of pollen is comparable to the estimated mass of the monopole particle.
  • Further discussion includes a comparison of the Higgs boson mass, noted to be about 126 protons, and its relative lightness compared to the proposed GUT scale monopoles.
  • One participant points out that the Higgs boson is 14 orders of magnitude lighter than the suggested GUT scale monopoles and lighter than the top quark.
  • The Planck Mass is mentioned as being comparable to a flea's egg or a dust mote, highlighting the challenges of understanding mass scales in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the mass of monopoles and their comparison to other particles, with no consensus reached on the implications of these mass estimates or their physical significance.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different scales and comparisons, but there is no resolution on the implications of these mass estimates or the challenges posed by anthropocentric perspectives on mass.

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Readers interested in particle physics, grand unified theories, and the conceptual challenges of mass scales in theoretical physics may find this discussion relevant.

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Please forgive the thread title... it just kinda slipped out that way.

I am reading and enjoying Alan Guth's _The Inflationary Universe_. Dr. Guth is not only in command of a very lucid style of exposition, but he has a very subtle and penetrating sense of humor.

Anyway... He relates a conversation with Henry Tye. Essentially, they agreed, GUT implied the existence of magnetic monopoles. They noted that these were likely 10^16 GeV particles; it would take that much energy to create one. Guth estimates that using SLAC as a model, that sort of energy would require (using 1974 technology) a linear accelerator with a length of about 70 light years. It was also noted that this particle would be really heavy with a mass of about 10^17 GeV or about 10^17 times as massive as a proton.

Now on to my attempt at a scratchpad visualization.

Taking the mass of a Proton as 1.6726^-27 Kg, (multiple internet sites of reasonable provenance cite this figure), some simple math would place this hypothesized particle to have a mass of approximately 1.67^-10Kg.

I get that this is huge as a particle mass, but I am really a loss for a sense of scale here. I can write out the numbers. It does not appear macroscopic. Nevertheless, what, for example, weighs about 1.67^-10Kg? Just trying to wrap my head around this unusual, intermediate scale.

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Thanks...cool... looks like it is sort of nominally macroscopic after all.

I didn't think to look for orders of magnitude... I just kicked around the number and didn't get all that far. ;)

diogenesNY

P.S. That really is one heck of a massive proposed particle.

P.P.S. Scratching around, it looks like the Higgs Boson, a very massive particle, has a mass of approximately 126 protons.
 
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The Higgs boson is 14 orders of magnitude lighter than the suggest GUT scale. And it is lighter than the top quark.
 
The Planck Mass is often compared to a flea's egg or a dust mote (Susskind).

Susskind attributes some of our difficulties to the anthropocentric scale that we impress on the universe.
 

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