How much energy could I create with a given amount of rpm?

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The discussion revolves around the energy output of a device capable of producing 65 rpm with 70 lbs of force per revolution, specifically in relation to the selection and efficiency of a generator that could be connected to it. Participants explore the relationship between force, torque, and electrical output, as well as the implications of energy conservation principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the force applied and whether it is needed to overcome losses due to friction to maintain a constant angular velocity.
  • Another participant suggests that the generator must not exceed 70 lbs in drag, emphasizing the importance of understanding how energy is supplied to the device.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that if the generator draws energy faster than it is supplied, the device will slow down, highlighting the role of generator efficiency.
  • There is a suggestion that the force could be interpreted as 70 ft-lbs of torque, linking torque and rpm to power output at 100% efficiency.
  • Some participants express frustration with the clarity of the original questions and suggest looking up definitions related to force, torque, and work.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of the generator or the calculations involved. Multiple interpretations of the force and torque are presented, leading to ongoing debate about the implications for energy output.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of force and torque, as well as the efficiency of the generator in relation to the energy output. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the technical concepts involved.

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I'm doing a personal project and need some help on things I could not find just on the Internet.
If I have a device that can produce 65 rpm with 70 lbs of force on each revolution, and the drive shaft was connected to a generator...(here come the questions, and I know that the numbers will be incredibly small)

- what generator out there would produce the most electricity per revolution given the strength of the motor per revolution? In other words, what is the biggest generator that could still be moved by that much force?

- what is the average electrical output of this device per revolution or per minute?

- (if you don't feel like doing the calculations for me) what is the average rpm of the given generator and what is ratio of revolutions of input to electrical output?

Thanks for the help.
 
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How much energy could I create with a given amount of rpm?
None.
Energy is not created nor destroyed.
I have a device that can produce 65 rpm with 70 lbs of force on each revolution
What does this mean? When and how is the force being applied? Is this force needed to overcome losses due to friction and so maintain a constant angular velocity?
what generator out there would produce the most electricity per revolution given the strength of the motor per revolution? In other words, what is the biggest generator that could still be moved by that much force?
Oh OK - you appear to want a generator that provides no more than 70lbs in drag... I think the details are important.

With no generator, the device spins up to 65rpm, and it takes 70lbs applied somewhere before it starts to slow down?

With a generator, it will spin up to, probably, less than 65rpm - at which point the drag from the generator will keep it at a constant speed.

What is happening, and this is important to your question, is that your whatsit is being supplied energy somehow. When the generator removes energy at the same rate, the thingy turns at a constant speed. If it draws energy faster, then the thingy will slow down. So the limiting factor is the rate that energy is being supplied to the thingy, and the efficiency of the generator.

http://www.mpoweruk.com/energy_efficiency.htm
... that should get you thinking properly.
 
Obviously energy cannot be created or destroyed. What I'm asking is what is a specific type of generator that does not take more then 70lbs (the equivalence of 70lbs) of force to revolve once, and with that specific engine how much energy is converted into useful electric energy per revolution (in wH/revolution).
 
And I have answered that question.
Enjoy.
 
what is a specific type of generator that does not take more then 70lbs (the equivalence of 70lbs) of force to revolve once,

Error - That doesn't compile.

Force applied where ?

go back to internet,
look up definitions of force, torque and work.

Then get your calculator

horsepower = torque X rpm / 5252
 
Maybe he means 70 ft-lbs of torque. In that case Torque X RPM is a unit of power, which is the most "electricity" you can get out of it at 100% efficiency.
 
Thank you good sir, << Rest of comment deleted by Mentor >>
 
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Nobody is trolling you.
The questions and suggestions are sincere and based on, not just what you say, but years (sometimes decades) of experience answering this sort of question.
Have you followed any of the suggestions or considered any of the questions?
Perhaps even just letting us know if Curl's "maybe" is correct?

If so then it remains only to pick the motor with the efficiency you want (see link post #2 for examples).
 
ShaneGarcia7 said:
Thank you good sir, << Rest of comment deleted by Mentor >>
Insults will not be tolerated here.
 
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