How Much Force is Needed to Hold a Hose Emitting Water at 20 m/s?

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The problem involves calculating the force required to hold a hose that emits water at a specified rate and speed. The context is fluid dynamics, specifically focusing on the momentum change of water as it exits the hose.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of mass flow rate from kg/min to kg/s and its implications for calculating force. There are attempts to apply the equation F=ma and variations of it, with some questioning the assumptions made about initial velocity.

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Multiple interpretations of the mass flow rate have been explored, with some participants suggesting recalculations and clarifications on the units involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of basic principles of physics, particularly the second law of motion.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the conversion of units and the assumptions about initial velocity, which are under discussion but not resolved.

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Homework Statement


Water is pumped through a hose-pipe at a rate of 90 kg per minute. It emerges from the hose-pipe horizontally with a speed of 20 m/s.What is the force is required from a person holding the hose-pipe to prevent it moving backwards?

Homework Equations


F=ma--?
Ft=mv-mu

The Attempt at a Solution


90kg/min=0.025kg/s
This is m/t
So if we assume u=0m/s
Then, F= 0.025 x 20 (using Ft=mv-mu)
F= 0.5N
The answer is 30N
Can we assume that u is 0m/s?
 
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Priyadarshini said:

Homework Statement


Water is pumped through a hose-pipe at a rate of 90 kg per minute. It emerges from the hose-pipe horizontally with a speed of 20 m/s.What is the force is required from a person holding the hose-pipe to prevent it moving backwards?

Homework Equations


F=ma--?
Ft=mv-mu

The Attempt at a Solution


90kg/min=0.025kg/s
{You might want to check this calculation again!}
 
SteamKing said:
{You might want to check this calculation again!}
Oh!
Even then,
90kg/min=0.0004167kg/s
then the answer becomes,
0.0004167 x 20
= 0.0083 N
 
Priyadarshini said:
Oh!
Even then,
90kg/min=0.0004167kg/s
then the answer becomes,
0.0004167 x 20
= 0.0083 N
I repeat, check your mass flow calculation again. How many seconds are in 1 minute?
 
Can I recommend you work out the number of kg/s using a pencil and paper rather than a calculator.
 
CWatters said:
Can I recommend you work out the number of kg/s using a pencil and paper rather than a calculator.
90 kg/min you should be able to work out in your head. o_O
 
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Priyadarshini said:

Homework Statement


Water is pumped through a hose-pipe at a rate of 90 kg per minute. It emerges from the hose-pipe horizontally with a speed of 20 m/s.What is the force is required from a person holding the hose-pipe to prevent it moving backwards?

Homework Equations


F=ma--?
Ft=mv-mu

The Attempt at a Solution


90kg/min=0.025kg/s
This is m/t
So if we assume u=0m/s
Then, F= 0.025 x 20 (using Ft=mv-mu)
F= 0.5N
The answer is 30N
Can we assume that u is 0m/s?

What is Ft exactly?

Try applying basic principles:
F = ma is what we usually use when applying the 2nd Law, but a more appropriate form might be:
F = d/dt (m*v) = v*(d/dt m) + m*(d/dt v)

In the case of constant mass, this reduces to F = ma. In the case of constant velocity (this problem), this can be reduced to F = v*(d/dt m)

You are given the rate of water being pumped, which is in units of kg/min (can be converted to kg/s). This looks a lot like... dm/dt, right?

So, you can calculate the force being pressed back against the person holding the hose. But you are asked how much force it takes to keep the hose from moving. If that's what you want, what is true about the total acceleration of the hose? Now apply that to the 2nd Law, and what do you get?
 
SteamKing said:
I repeat, check your mass flow calculation again. How many seconds are in 1 minute?
Whoops! It's 1.5kg/s. It works now. Thank you!
 
Adoniram said:
What is Ft exactly?

Try applying basic principles:
F = ma is what we usually use when applying the 2nd Law, but a more appropriate form might be:
F = d/dt (m*v) = v*(d/dt m) + m*(d/dt v)

In the case of constant mass, this reduces to F = ma. In the case of constant velocity (this problem), this can be reduced to F = v*(d/dt m)

You are given the rate of water being pumped, which is in units of kg/min (can be converted to kg/s). This looks a lot like... dm/dt, right?

So, you can calculate the force being pressed back against the person holding the hose. But you are asked how much force it takes to keep the hose from moving. If that's what you want, what is true about the total acceleration of the hose? Now apply that to the 2nd Law, and what do you get?
Oh,thanks!
 

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