What is the average force exerted by the water on the wall when it rebounds?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a horizontal stream of water from a fire-fighter's hose impacting a vertical wall. The scenario includes parameters such as the mass flow rate of water, its speed, and the angle of incidence relative to the horizontal. The objective is to calculate the average force exerted by the water on the wall during the rebound, considering the change in direction of the horizontal component of the water's velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the initial momentum of the water but expresses uncertainty about how to incorporate the angle and find the average force. Other participants discuss the definition of average force and its relation to the problem, while one participant questions how to determine time from the given information.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have provided insights into the definition of average force and momentum, while others are seeking clarification on how to apply these concepts to the specific scenario presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to account for the angle of incidence and the relationship between momentum and force. There is an emphasis on understanding the setup rather than deriving a solution at this stage.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal stream of water from a fire-fighter's hose hits a vertical wall. The firefighter knows that 16.9 kg of water are emitted from the hose per second, and that the water has a speed of 45.5 m/s. At the instant when it hits the wall, the direction of the velocity vector of the water is 25.0 degrees BELOW the horizontal. Calculate the average force exerted by the water on the wall, assuming that the vertical component of the velocity vector of the water is unchanged but the horizontal component of the velocity vector is reversed when the water rebounds from the wall.

Vi=45.5 m/s
m= 16.9 kg/s
ϴ= 25 Degrees BELOW the horizontal


Homework Equations


P=mv
v2=vo2+2ax


The Attempt at a Solution



Po=mvo
po=16.9kg/s*45.5m/s
Po=768.95

Now I have the initial momentum. From here I am stuck and not sure where to go next. I know I need to somehow incorporate the angle given and calculate a final velocity. But then how would I take that and find an average force? Hopefully someone can explain/ show me the set up from here. Thanks!
 
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An average force is defined as the sum of the forces applied divided by the period of time. For example, if you have force a for 1 second and force b for 2 seconds, then the average force is:

\frac{1s*F_a + 2s*F_b}{3s} where s is seconds.

Does that help?
 
I understand that, however, how do I relate that to this particular problem?
 
I am doing this exact problem right now. I have found the momentum of the water and the x component of the velocity. Average force is the change in momentum/change in time, but how can you find time using the information in the problem?
 

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