How much lava is there in earth?

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The discussion revolves around the quantity of magma present in the Earth, particularly at the crust-mantle boundary, and the processes that generate magma. Participants explore various aspects of magma formation, including the role of water in lowering melting temperatures, and the rates of magma generation in different geological settings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the location and quantity of magma at the crust-mantle boundary, noting that the mantle is solid but can deform plastically.
  • There are discussions about the role of supercritical water in magma generation, with some participants expressing skepticism about how rising water can lower pressure.
  • One participant mentions that water can reduce melting temperatures by depolymerizing silicates in the melt, which they argue makes more sense.
  • Estimates of magma generation rates are discussed, with one participant citing a source that suggests approximately 1 km³ of magma is generated per year from various geological settings.
  • Another participant challenges this estimate by noting the contribution of mid-ocean ridges, which they claim adds about 20 km³ per year.
  • Participants provide specific numbers for magma generation from different locations, including subduction zones and mid-ocean ridges, but these figures are not universally accepted.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of lava and its relation to hardened rock, with some participants questioning the assumptions made about the composition of the Earth's crust.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of providing sources when stating facts to ensure accuracy in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the processes of magma generation and the estimates of magma quantities. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the numbers provided or the mechanisms involved in magma formation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific geological definitions and assumptions that may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes various estimates that are not tied to definitive references, leading to uncertainty in the figures presented.

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I was reading about the Earth's structure and learned that the mantle is solid, although it can deform plastically. In fact this follows from possibility of transversal seismic waves to propagate.
This leaves me with the question where the magma that we observe in volcanos is formed and how much there is present at the crust-mantle boundary.
 
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DrDu said:
I was reading about the Earth's structure and learned that the mantle is solid, although it can deform plastically. In fact this follows from possibility of transversal seismic waves to propagate.
This leaves me with the question where the magma that we observe in volcanos is formed and how much there is present at the crust-mantle boundary.

I'm sure you've checked out wiki?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma

Here are two loosely related but interesting articles

THE DEEPEST HOLE
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/

Drillers Accidentally Create First Live Magma Observatory
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/magmaobservator/
 
Thank you Greg!
This only leaves open my question on the quantity of magma present at the crust-mantle boundary.
 
That's not lava but magma. I'm not aware of trustworthy estimates about total quatities. There are numbers mentioned here but not tied a reference.
 
Yes, you are right, I should have written magma in the tiltle, not lava.
I have been reading the "subduction" article before but found it quite dubious, e.g.
"The supercritical water, which is hot and more buoyant than the surrounding rock, rises into the overlying mantle where it lowers the pressure in (and thus the melting temperature of) the mantle rock to the point of actual melting, generating magma."
I can't see how rising water can lower the pressure.
 
DrDu said:
Yes, you are right, I should have written magma in the tiltle, not lava.
I have been reading the "subduction" article before but found it quite dubious, e.g.
"The supercritical water, which is hot and more buoyant than the surrounding rock, rises into the overlying mantle where it lowers the pressure in (and thus the melting temperature of) the mantle rock to the point of actual melting, generating magma."
I can't see how rising water can lower the pressure.

The water pushes the grains in the rock apart, counter to the loading stress due to the overburden. The net is a drop in the effective stress.

c.f http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_stress
 
I did some reading. Apparently water reduces the melting temperatures by depolymerizing silicates in the melt thereby increasing the entropy of the melt:
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~langmuir/Papers/Katz G3 03.pdf
Makes much more sense.
 
I found some numbers on how much magma is generated by locations (subduction zones, hot spots etc)
in H Bahlburg, C Breitkreuz, Grundlagen der Geologie, Spektrum Verlag, 2012.
. The sum is of the order of 1 km^3 per year. I don't have the precise numbers at hand right now.
 
DrDu said:
I found some numbers on how much magma is generated by locations (subduction zones, hot spots etc)
in H Bahlburg, C Breitkreuz, Grundlagen der Geologie, Spektrum Verlag, 2012.
. The sum is of the order of 1 km^3 per year. I don't have the precise numbers at hand right now.

That sounds small to me. It appears you are missing mid ocean ridges, which add about 20 km^3 per year.
 
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You are right. The numbers from the book are

location intrusive extrusive
subduction zone 8 0.8
mid oceanic ridges 18 3
intra plate volcanoes
oceanic 2 0.4
continental 1.5 0.1
 
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Lava being the unsolidified molten rock material deposited on the surface of Earth? A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent. As defined as a solidified rock, the percentage of Earth's crust is over 66% hardened lava, in the form of basalt.
 
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dannielwang said:
Lava being the unsolidified molten rock material deposited on the surface of Earth? A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent. As defined as a solidified rock, the percentage of Earth's crust is over 66% hardened lava, in the form of basalt.
You seem to have taken the view that the oceans are absalt, the continents (granite) are not, and so the ratio is as you have defined it. However you have failed to take into account the much greater thickness of the continental crust.
 
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Please link to the source so we can verify, thank you.

Also, this is a reminder to everyone posting "facts", you need to post a link to your source when you post facts about something that is not general knowledge, it's the only way we can determine which information is most accurate.
 
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