How Much Less Do You Weigh at the Top of the World Trade Center?

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The problem involves calculating the change in weight experienced by a person when moving from sidewalk level to the top of the World Trade Center, focusing on gravitational effects due to distance from the Earth's center. The subject area includes gravitational physics and the inverse square law.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of weight change using gravitational force equations, questioning the accuracy of their results and exploring different approaches to the problem.

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Some participants have shared their calculations and expressed uncertainty about their results, while others have suggested alternative methods and reasoning to arrive at a solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved.

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Participants are working under the assumption that Earth's rotation can be ignored and are using specific values for the mass and radius of the Earth. There is mention of potential errors in calculations and the need for clarification on the gravitational relationship.

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Homework Statement


You weigh 518 N at sidewalk level outside the World Trade Center in New York City. Suppose that you ride from this level to the top of one of its 410 m towers. Ignoring Earth's rotation, how much less would you weigh there (because you are slightly farther from the center of Earth)?

Homework Equations


F = (GMm)/r2
Mass of Earth: 5.97x1024 kg
Radius of Earth: 6378100 m

The Attempt at a Solution


518 = ((6.67x10-11)(5.97x1024)(m))/(63781002)
m = 52.92 kg

F = (GMm)/(r+h)2
F' = ((6.67x10-11)(5.97x1024)(52.80))/(63785102)
F' = 517.94 N

So my calculated difference is .0575 N, but apparently that's not right. Not sure where I've gone wrong here, any help is much appreciated.
 
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robertmatthew said:

Homework Statement


You weigh 518 N at sidewalk level outside the World Trade Center in New York City. Suppose that you ride from this level to the top of one of its 410 m towers. Ignoring Earth's rotation, how much less would you weigh there (because you are slightly farther from the center of Earth)?

Homework Equations


F = (GMm)/r2
Mass of Earth: 5.97x1024 kg
Radius of Earth: 6378100 m

The Attempt at a Solution


518 = ((6.67x10-11)(5.97x1024)(m))/(63781002)
m = 52.92 kg

F = (GMm)/(r+h)2
F' = ((6.67x10-11)(5.97x1024)(52.80))/(63785102)
F' = 517.94 N

So my calculated difference is .0575 N, but apparently that's not right. Not sure where I've gone wrong here, any help is much appreciated.

Look at \displaystyle \ \frac{1}{r^2}-\frac{1}{(r+h)^2}<br /> =\frac{r^2+2rh+h^2-r^2}{r^2(r+h^2)}=\frac{2rh+h^2}{r^2(r+h^2)}\approx\frac{2h}{r^3}\ .
 
robertmatthew said:

Homework Statement


You weigh 518 N at sidewalk level outside the World Trade Center in New York City. Suppose that you ride from this level to the top of one of its 410 m towers. Ignoring Earth's rotation, how much less would you weigh there (because you are slightly farther from the center of Earth)?


Homework Equations


F = (GMm)/r2
Mass of Earth: 5.97x1024 kg
Radius of Earth: 6378100 m


The Attempt at a Solution


518 = ((6.67x10-11)(5.97x1024)(m))/(63781002)
m = 52.92 kg

F = (GMm)/(r+h)2
F' = ((6.67x10-11)(5.97x1024)(52.80))/(63785102)
F' = 517.94 N

So my calculated difference is .0575 N, but apparently that's not right. Not sure where I've gone wrong here, any help is much appreciated.

Gravity is an inverse square relation, so I would add 410 to the Earth radius you had to find the ratio of increase [I get that r is now 1.000064 times the original. Square that 1.000129
so the inverse says the weight force is reduced by that factor.

518 / 1.000129 gave me about 0.0666 N less than 518, rather than your .0575 answer.
 
Thank you both very much, got the right answer and I actually understand how I got there!
 

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