How Much Older Is Frank When Mary Returns from Barnard's Star?

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The discussion revolves around a twin paradox problem involving relativistic travel to Barnard's star at a speed of 0.910c. The original poster is attempting to determine how much older Frank is when Mary returns after spending time doing research in space.

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  • Participants explore the implications of time dilation and the different frames of reference involved in the journey. There are attempts to apply formulas for calculating time experienced by both Mary and Frank, with some questioning the assumptions made regarding the frames of reference during the research period.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations needed for both parts of the problem, with some expressing confusion over the correct application of formulas and the interpretation of the problem's requirements. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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There is ambiguity in the problem regarding the frame of reference for the time calculations, particularly concerning the six years spent doing research. Participants note that the question does not specify which frame the time for the journey should be calculated in.

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[SOLVED] Twin Paradox problem

Here is a problem about twin paradox that I can't quite figure out. I got part a, but I can't get part b. I think that the 6 years spent doing research is kinda throwing me off. Help!

The International Space Federation constructs a new spaceship that can travel at a speed of 0.910c. Mary, the astronaut, boards the spaceship to travel to Barnard's star, which is the second nearest star to our solar system after Alpha Centauri and is 5.98 ly away. After reaching Barnard's star, the spaceship travels slowly around the star system for 6 years doing research before returning back to Earth.
(a) How much time does the journey take?
11.44913698 years
(b) How much older is her twin Frank when she returns?
? years
 
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freefallin38 said:
Here is a problem about twin paradox that I can't quite figure out. I got part a, but I can't get part b. I think that the 6 years spent doing research is kinda throwing me off. Help!

The International Space Federation constructs a new spaceship that can travel at a speed of 0.910c. Mary, the astronaut, boards the spaceship to travel to Barnard's star, which is the second nearest star to our solar system after Alpha Centauri and is 5.98 ly away. After reaching Barnard's star, the spaceship travels slowly around the star system for 6 years doing research before returning back to Earth.
(a) How much time does the journey take?
11.44913698 years
(b) How much older is her twin Frank when she returns?
? years

Question a is ambiguous since it does not specify in what frame...but I guess it means in the spaceship's frame.

Since the spaceship travels slowly around the star system, the six years of research lasts that amount of time in both frames (basically the two frames are at rest relative to one another during that period). So find the time taken for the ship to get to the star as measured in Earth's frame, double that and add six years.
 
Yep, I tried doing that, using the formula T=2L/v, added 6 to that, and got 19.1429, but the answer still wasn't right. Do you think I'm doing something wrong?
 
T=2L/v is the time the ship is in flight as experienced on earth. That's not the time experienced on the ship. Don't forget the time dilation factor.
 
freefallin38 said:
Yep, I tried doing that, using the formula T=2L/v, added 6 to that, and got 19.1429, but the answer still wasn't right. Do you think I'm doing something wrong?
Looks like the right calculation to me. (You are calculating the time according to the Earth.) What did you put for the final answer to part b?

Note: The question is a bit ambiguous. I assume they are asking: How much older is Frank than his sister.
 
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do you mean gamma= 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)? because part 2 asks for the twin who stayed on Earth's age, and my book said that the formula for that time, as measured on earth, is T=2L/v. So i figured just do that +6. I used T=2L/(gamma*v) +6 for part a's answer.

The answer I put for part b was T=2*5.98/.91+6= 19.1429, but the homework program says it's wrong.
 
freefallin38 said:
The answer I put for part b was T=2*5.98/.91+6= 19.1429, but the homework program says it's wrong.
Read the note that I added to my last post.
 
Doc Al said:
Read the note that I added to my last post.

gotcha! thank you!:smile:
 

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